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I live in Perth, WA and I'm 22 years old. I've been very interested in
weather ever since Cyclone Ned made its way to Perth back in 1989. I
remember all the hype on the news about the cyclone and the cyclone
warnings we had, and it got me really interested in it. The cyclone ended
up going right over Perth, but by that stage the cyclone had probably been
downgraded.

In 1990 we had another cyclone come down the coast, Cyclone Vincent, there
was lots of hype in the media about it again, but this time the cyclone
just passed to the west of us.

In 1991 I will always remember the extreme heat we had. The first day of
school for the year on Wednesday 30th January we had 43.2C, I was in Year
10 at the time, the next day we broke the all time record of 45.8C, it was
that hot that even my strictest maths teacher actually let us go down and
get a cold drink of water during class, which was very strange for him.
Then a few weeks later we broke the record again, 46.2C on the 23rd
February, luckily it was a Saturday that day. This made me get quite
interested in extreme temperature events.

As most of you know Perth gets its best storms during the winter, and the
winters of 1994 and 1996 were some of the best I've seen. On the 23rd May,
1994 we had a very strong low pressure system to the south with a series of
cold fronts, which brought gales, severe wind squalls and thunderstorms
almost all day and night, almost all of Perth lost power that night, the
amount of trees that I saw down the next day was amazing, nearly every park
you passed there were trees down, and many homes around Perth had minor to
serious damage.

In late June, 1996 we had storm after storm, I remember about 5 days in a
row that we had lightning and on the 15th July, 1996 we had another very
strong front move through which caused a tornado that damaged property in
South Perth, I was also on the computer at the same time and lightning
fried my computer :P  The tornado was about 10km away from my suburb. Since
then I always turn my computer off when thunderstorms are about.

That tornado report is available on Michael Bath's site at:

http://australiansevereweather.simplenet.com/storm_news/issue06/docs/iss06-0
1.htm

I still have the local waters forecast for the next day when more strong
cold fronts crossed the coast.

Issued at 0910 hours on  Tuesday , 16/07/96 
FOR TODAY AND TONIGHT. 
STORM WARNING CURRENT. 
W/NW WINDS 35/45KN, REACHING 40/50KN LATER TODAY.
HEAVY SHOWER AND THUNDERSTORM SQUALLS TO 75KN. SEAS RISING 5 TO 7M. 
SWELL TO 5.0M.

The winters of 1997 and this year was a little disappointing, but hopefully
this summer we may get a few storms and maybe even a cyclone come down the
west coast.

Jacob

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From: "Michael Thompson" 
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With a limit of $300 there is really only one choice, a good second hand
SLR, even at $300 you will be limited as to the features.

Any brand names such as Nikon, Canon, Minolta, Pentax or Olympus will do the
job, although people will swear one brand is better than the other, all of
the above cannot be seperated  with the ( poorer ) quality of normal film
processing. Only a professional developing there own film will swear on
differences in quality.

Try to get a camera that has manual overide, and make sure that it has a B
shutter setting that will allow you to take night time lightning.

Michael


>Also,what is considered better amongst all you storm chasers:
>a camera,(with or without zoom??) or a video camera?
>especially when your on a tight budget and are looking to spend max $300 ..
>should i go second hand ?
>anyway please tell me your thoughts..reading a whole bunch of storm news
>doc's has really made me more determined to get something to
>remember this summer's storms in sydney with!!!
>
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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 09:14:50 +0800
From: Michael Fewings 
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Hi All,

Well I shouldn't miss an opportunity to introduce myself. My name is
Michael Fewings and I have to be somewhere in the middle of the age
bracket at 27. I grew up in Esperance on the South coast of Western
Australia and observed many severe storms from very young. But as you
can imagine being on a farm and knowing very little of what was
considered severe, I just thought of them as big storms. I moved to
Perth to study 6 years ago and have since got interested in the internet
and found all of this information about weather and other people who
share interests as I do.
My main interest has been in lightning and the causes of it. But to get
to predicting storms that might produce lightning I have studied into
great depth the dynamics of the atmosphere both on a local and large
scale. Weather fascinates me, lightning is the icing on the cake.
Tornados (I have seen one but no camera at the time) are like the
elusive gold coin in the middle.
When I chase I love aligning myself to allow the best part of the storm
to travel directly overhead.
My long term aim is to take a photo a lightning striking a tower taken
from near the base looking upwards. This I must say, is a very difficult
endeavour. But what are aims for!

There is a great wealth of knowledge between all of us on this mailing
list. I really enjoy reading the many posts (26 or so yesterday). We all
love to talk about the same topic of which none of us can get enough of
(the fill in between storms). There was a suggestion of a society or
membership of some sort?
This is a great idea. There could be a meeting every so often to talk
about what it is that makes us tick and it would provide some nucleus
for all of us to work towards.

Ideas?

>From the Western side of this great country
Michael Fewings

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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 12:24:33 +1000
From: Matthew Piper 
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Hi all fellow weather fanatics,

My name is Matthew Piper. I am 23 years old and live in the Lower Blue
Mountains west of Sydney. I have always had a strong fascination for the
weather in particular Thunderstorms and Tropical Cyclones. I have also
collected rainfall data at home since 1985 when I got my first rain
gauge. The most notable rainfall event I can remember was in early
August 1986 when on numerous occasions throughout the day I had to empty
a rain gauge which could hold over 100mm.

My interest in Meteorology started when I was in Primary School and has
continued unabated to this day. Thunderstorms have always intrigued me
and whenever possible I will spend time tracking their development both
visually and via listening to static on my radio. The most memorable
thunderstorm for me was in November 1992. During this storm there was
hail of a size which I had never seen before (golfball size) and also
the direction which this storm came from was unusual in that it seemed
to come from a more southerly than westerly direction.

Matthew Piper

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Lets dot it! Lets form a society or incorporated body! Its not that hard, as
I have had some experience forming another Associated Incoporated body! Lets
have some ideas...what could we call ourselves? Membership? Meetings? This
will be great!! We could meet 4 times a year maybe?? Thats just a suggestion.

We could call ourselves : The Australian Storm Chasers!! What do we think??
Let me know, cause I wouldnt mind doing the running around & legal work
involved (i work in the Legal field so it will be no problems for me!)

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At 3:15pm here at Schofields, we have just copped some heavy rain and
tiniest hail. There is more around as well.

Jimmy Deguara
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Australian Severe Weather
http://australiansevereweather.simplenet.com/index.html

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From: paulmoss at tpgi.com.au
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Further to my previous email, I have just thought about stepping on peoples toes, and 
I don't want to do that! So to the guys who have been round for ages.......Michael 
Thompson, Jimmy, Michael Bath, Laurier, Ira (& any others who I havn't 
mentioned....) PLEASE don't think that this is an attempt to over-run u guys or 
anything - just that it seems like a great idea....and hopefully everybody thinks so too!

Other things we could do as a group:
Yearly conferences with guest speakers Like the guys above or people from Met or 
even internationals...u never know!
More regular organised chases in centres all over australia
combined experience, technology & knowledge!
So what does everyone think?? Lets do it !!

Paul from Taree.

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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 05:57:51 GMT
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On Wed, 11 Mar 1998 04:08:20 +1000, Matt wrote:

>Matt from sydney here..

>Can someone give me a site that shows approaching weather fronts and
>patterns (as in the news) that is updated very frequently (as in every hour
>or so)
>
Hi Matt

If you want fronts on your weather maps, there's no substitute for the
Bureau of Meteorology's own weather maps at 
gopher://gilgamesh.ho.BoM.GOV.AU:70/I9/Australian%20Weather%20Information/Weather%20Charts/msl_anal,
and also available from the main web site at http://www.bom.gov.au.
They're updated every 3 hours between 3am and 3pm, with another update
at 9pm (all Eastern Standard Time). 

There are heaps of other charts on the net (follow the links on my
site to Current Weather --> Charts and Graphics), but none of them
mark traditional cold fronts. 

Laurier Williams
Australian Weather Links and News
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~wbc/

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From: paulmoss at tpgi.com.au
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 16:56:46 +1000
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Not Fair!! The total totals index did predict that the possibility was
around........its looking very very black here now............but time will
tell! We did receive a very low intesnity strom last night.....with a decent
rainfall figure of 33.2mm for the period 6pm - 6am.

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From: "James Chambers" 
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Hello all!
Its my turn to introduce myself. My name is James Chambers, I just turned 21 and I 
live in the southern suburbs of Brisbane.  Like everyone here, I have always been 
extremely fascinated by weather.  All of my earliest childhood memories are based 
around some kind of weather event.  When I was 5 or 6, I distinctly remember 
watching a storm approach and noted the green colour.  I was outside my neighbour's 
house at the time and shouted through the windows that "hail was coming!".  Sure 
enough, hail I guess of about 3cm diameter started falling and bouncing off the 
windows.  You can imagine how pleased with myself I was.

As all of you, I have countless memories of 'good' weather.  After the Brisbane Jan 85 
storm I remember seeing every tree on three road islands down...about the same time I 
remember when our budgie died of shock due to a lightning strike within 100m of the 
house...the high winds of the spring 87 season...etc etc.  Every Xmas holidays we used 
to go down to Coffs Harbour for 4-5 days to see the grandparents.  On at least 4 of 
those occasions we witnessed exciting hailstorms.  The first of them I remember 
watching through the windows with the whole family.  My poor Grandma was the 
unlucky recipient of a 2-3cm stone right on the bridge of her nose!  A broken nose and 
several stitches later...!  A year later I was watching the sky in excitement as another 
hailstorm began.  I ran out to the carport as the hail became larger.  Soon, the hail was 
at least 3cm and was being blown under the carport by strong winds.  I suffered many 
bruises to my feet and ankles - but I loved it!
Several times however I missed storms at home.  Most noteworthy was the tornadic 
supercell of Xmas Eve 1989 (a few days before the Newcastle earthquake).  Lots of 
trees blew over because of straight line winds at home but a tornado was spawned 
over the bayside suburbs.

Closer to the present, our storm season of 1992 was very good. Probably the best one 
that I experienced was special because I saw my first and only gustnado.  I had 
watched the storm's development since looking out the window in school from about 
2pm.  Around 4.30 the gust front came into view, including a narrow area of dust 
which looked very suspicious.  As the dust followed a road about 500m south of us, I 
noticed lots of leaves, small branches and newspapers spinning a small distance into 
the dusty air.  Soon I lost sight of it and then the guster hit us with winds I estimate of 
100-120km/h which dislodged a few roof tiles and blew the TV antenna next door.

The 1995 season was exceptional.  At my home we had 5 hailstorms, but only one of 
which was severe.  But anyway, I'll stop here.

Finally, I only bought this puter in May, so it took me until late August to build me a 
site.  It will be here a long time and will continue to be improved.  By the way, I just 
got a link in Storm Track Online :)

This mailing list is great!
James from Brisbane.
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~jamestorm/bristorm.html
PS: yet another promising outlook with a storm forecast on Tuesday.  Lately storm 
situations have become rain situations.  I hope that's not a trend.

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Jimmy Deguara from Schofields here,

I had thought of the ideas that you have mentioned about a year or so ago but I have 
re-developed the idea due to this e-mail group. I was amazed at the amount of storm 
chasing interest. I will try and come up with other ideas when I get some time. 
Michael Bath and I had discussed this last year in terms of uniting storm spotters and 
chasers from around the state. But an Australian group would be great.

Jimmy Deguara
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Further to my previous email, I have just thought about stepping on peoples toes, and 
I don't want to do that! So to the guys who have been round for ages.......Michael 
Thompson, Jimmy, Michael Bath, Laurier, Ira (& any others who I havn't 
mentioned....) PLEASE don't think that this is an attempt to over-run u guys or 
anything -just that it seems like a great idea....and hopefully everybody thinks so too!

Other things we could do as a group:
Yearly conferences with guest speakers Like the guys above or people from Met or 
even internationals...u never know!
More regular organised chases in centres all over australia
combined experience, technology & knowledge!
So what does everyone think?? Lets do it !!

Paul from Taree.

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From: paulmoss at tpgi.com.au
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 17:53:49 +1000
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Laurier:-

You are the best one to ask about this. Have u seen the weather computer that Brian 
Bury uses on 7? Is
that available on the net? Who is the company that provides that service? Man that 
would be a good
addition to Michael Baths weather site!

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In my haste to get them up i had left the local drive path in the image
location. This has now been corrected and you can at last see the spoils
from the chase.


Michael Thompson
http://thunder.simplenet.com

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If there is hail to found, Jimmy will sniff it out, how about "Hail Hound
Jimmy".

Michael

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>At 3:15pm here at Schofields, we have just copped some heavy rain and
>tiniest hail. There is more around as well.
>
>Jimmy Deguara
>----------------------------------------------------------
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>http://australiansevereweather.simplenet.com/index.html
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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 18:00:56 +1000 (EST)
From: Paul Graham 
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> At 3:15pm here at Schofields, we have just copped some heavy rain and
> tiniest hail. There is more around as well.  

I noticed tall cumulus cells to the west and some cumulonimbus out to sea
this afternoon. I Had a look the the surface chart and it looks like
another east coast low has formed.  Looks like it'll intensify with some
favourable jetstream divergence.  The Bureau are predicting a central
surface pressure of 996Hpa tomorrow morning...

- Paul. 

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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 18:46:54 +1000 (EST)
From: Paul Graham 
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Hello everyone,
		I have put a photo of some of us on Rooty Hill in 
Western Sydney at:  http://hardy.ocs.mq.edu.au/~m3052695/s_chasers.html
Cheers,
	Paul.  

PS.  Have people noticed that sometimes when a message is sent to the
list, it doesn't get through - or it arrives quite late?

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I agree Paul.............I had look this afternoon out to sea and it has the
formation going nicely with the rotation, and the well developed
cells............which I got some pictures off.........so its a wait and see
game now!

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From: "Jane ONeill" 
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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:01:39 +1000
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Went up Mt Donna Buang (in the Yarra Valley east of Melbourne) late this
afternoon after looking at a very empty reservoir in the Upper Yarra (water
restrictions for Melb this summer??) and found 4 - 6" snow still on the
ground from 3/4 the way up the mountain.  This was the result of the cold
outbreak on Wednesday and Thursday.  Starting to melt at the moment, but a
pretty stunning sight in mid-October less than an hour from Melbourne!

Jane ONeill
Melbourne

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Although I do think it will do the sprint SE, there just isnt enough high
cloud and wind to keep me excited. Wish I could say otherwise.

Michael


>
>> At 3:15pm here at Schofields, we have just copped some heavy rain and
>> tiniest hail. There is more around as well.
>
>I noticed tall cumulus cells to the west and some cumulonimbus out to sea
>this afternoon. I Had a look the the surface chart and it looks like
>another east coast low has formed.  Looks like it'll intensify with some
>favourable jetstream divergence.  The Bureau are predicting a central
>surface pressure of 996Hpa tomorrow morning...
>
>- Paul.

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Great photo, except for the ugly guy in the Hawaiian shirt.

Michael

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>Hello everyone,
> I have put a photo of some of us on Rooty Hill in
>Western Sydney at:  http://hardy.ocs.mq.edu.au/~m3052695/s_chasers.html
>Cheers,
> Paul.
>
>PS.  Have people noticed that sometimes when a message is sent to the
>list, it doesn't get through - or it arrives quite late?
>
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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 12:11:59 -0400
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On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 paulmoss at tpgi.com.au wrote:

> Paul, I have also noticed it as well..........some people get different
> messages ??? weird hey!
> 

The mail sever that we use for this list is usually pretty good. Jacob and
I have noticed that mail between us is usually received instantaneously. A
few things that can show things down are:

1. Using e-mail address other than the one that you used to subscribe.

When mail is received by the list the system checks it against the
subscription list to protect us against getting spam med. If someone mails
us something from a second email address that they have at work, home, or
the office, the list software will not send it to the list, but will
bounce it to me for approval. I will approve anything that seems sort of
"on-topic" or at least not unsolicited commercial junk mail, but that may
take several hours if I am busy and not checking my mail.

2. Sending mail that has the words "subscribe" or "UN-subscribe" in the
first six lines of the message.

The filter is there to keep us from getting flooded with with
administrative messages that should have been sent to
majordomo at world.std.com instead. Again, I will approve real messages as
soon an I see them, depending on how often I check my mail.

3. Problems with the mail-server at the subscribers end.

Sometimes your mail-server will be down for one reason or another. It may
have crashed or have been taken down for maintenance. The server on this
side will try to re-deliver the messages for up to three days, so you will
get the mail, but it will be delayed. I ususaly get a bounce message when
that happens. I have appended one to the end of this where the mail-server
on the other end said that it didn't recognize the user.

If you think you are not getting mail from this list in a timely way, send
me a message and I will look into it.

David Hart
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