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From: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au (Tony Langdon)
Date: 01 Apr 01 01:23:30 +1000
Subject: Re: aus-wx: [Fwd: [WX-CHASE] Northern Lights in Virginia!]
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Hello Sam!
31 Mar 01 04:06, you wrote to Weather Chase Canada:
SB> This should be a spectacular display in Canada. For y'all down under,
SB> follow the link listed below, then scroll down the page to the
SB> Southern Hemisphere image. It appears that southern Australia and New
SB> Zealand may be within view of the aurora too and it may actually be
SB> overhead in Tasmania!
The aurora was detected by radio in SE Australia late this afternoon (I missed
out on the fun :( ), but I didn't see anything later in the evening, might have
been a case of arrival at the wrong time of day. :-(
Tony, VK3JED
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Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 11:04:43 +1000
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For those of you who are wondering what a not particularly active front
looks like, I've created a composite image from the CSIRO images of SA &
Vic at http://www.stormchasers.au.com/01_04_01.htm
Now I've worked out how to do this, images like this may appear when we
have significant weather in our part of the world.
Jane
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Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 14:00:09 +1000
From: Jane ONeill
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Afternoon all,
What determines the distance between a pre-frontal trough and the
primary front? The one crossing Victoria today has a distance of about
300km.
Thanks,
Jane
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From: "clyve herbert"
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Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 18:01:56 +1000
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Hi Jane and all.
A cold frontal system can be a very complex area of airmass interchange,with
changes not only to the surface flow but to the mid and upper layers as
well, sometimes the upper portions of cold fronts can be carried forward of
the mid and lower segments of a cold front especially when the lower layers
are being retarded either by friction or variability's in the progression of
synoptic scale systems i.e.. Highs and Lows. Also there are other factors
too and upper portions of cold fronts can be carried away by stronger upper
winds,another factor in the development of pre frontal troughs is moving
wave action developed by the cold front itself, i.e. At 300hpa or around
that level the surface cold front can act as an interruption to the flow at
high levels,(the upper levels are sometimes moving much faster.) this
situation can then set up propagation of down wind waves with their attached
moving troughs and ridges, under these generated waves and upper troughs
certain types of weather can be generated, under upper troughs this can
induce the development of thunderstorms in mid latitude and sub tropical
locations (also upper troughs can also advect colder air forward of the
surface front and destabilising the airmass below),such systems can be seen
especially in the summer half of the year occurring well ahead of the
surface cold front and sometimes the cold front can even dissipate but the
upper trough can still be detected. regards Clyve Herbert.....
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> Afternoon all,
>
> What determines the distance between a pre-frontal trough and the
> primary front? The one crossing Victoria today has a distance of about
> 300km.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jane
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From: John Gaul
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The Aurora Australis was viewed last evening (between 10pm and midnight
local time)
over many parts of the South Island with some good views observed from my
home in Christchurch on the east coast of the South Island.
Mainly orange coloured hues in an arc across the sky with weak light beams
from the south. bluey whitish glow to the south. A feint "set of curtains"
was observed about 1130pm local time. Unfortunatelty, not all that clear to
be recorded on video here.
Although not as spectacular as the AA I viewed last time, it made the
viewing something worthwhile as there hasn't been much weather to watch of
late.
Any observations from Australia?
JohnGaul
NZ Aurora Australis Watchers Society
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From: "Ben Quinn"
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Does it ever stop raining up there?
INITIAL FLOOD WARNING FOR THE TULLY RIVER
Issued at 10:11pm on Sunday the 1st of April 2001
by the Bureau of Meteorology, Brisbane.
Heavy rain over the weekend has caused rises and minor flooding in the Tully
River. The Tully River at Euramo was 7.05 metres at 9pm Sunday evening and
rising slowly. The river level at Euramo is expected to peak at about 7.4
metres
overnight which is 0.7 metres below the level of the approaches to the Bruce
Highway Bridge. Further rainfall overnight may increase these levels.
Highest rainfall totals since 9am Thursday include Bolinda Estate 284mm,
Jarrah
Creek 335mm and Tully 339mm. Elsewhere totals have been generally less than
100mm.
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Hi,
I'm surprised no Sydney people have mentioned this:
TOP PRIORITY FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE Issued at 1053 on Monday the 2nd of April
2001
This warning affects people in the Sydney Metropolitan area.
This warning is current until midday.
A thunderstorm is currently located near Bundeena in the Royal National
Park [south of Sydney] and is forecast to move towards the north-northeast.
While the centre of the storm is likely to lie out to sea, the western
flank of the storm may pass across the Cronulla area and the Eastern
Suburbs during the next hour.
Large hailstones, damaging winds and very heavy rainfall are possible.
Radar shows plenty of cells in the red just along the coast tracking NNE
Michael
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Hey Im going to go to meetings more oftne if it produces the results I got
when walking out of there !
Sydney - 11:20am and cells line up to the South with Radar showing some
impressive Red on some of them as they head up along the Illawarra Coast !
Whether they will hit here Im not too sure but the BOM seem to think so
looking at the STW they have issued. NIce to see that they have explained
the reasons for their STW as well advising that even though the main cell is
out to sea , the flanking line may produce damaging winds, hail, etc !!
Lookins from my office I can see a big TCU has shot up over Camden and radar
seems to be picking this up also ! SE'r has come through already also so
this has come as a bit of a shock as Im sure mnost sydney Siders wil tell
you the SE'r is just that .... a Storm Eradicator
Hopefully more reports to come .
Dann is in the city atm and is seeing some very dark areas through the
buildings to the south !
Here's hoping !
James H
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Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 19:30:27 -0700 (PDT)
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Hmmm,
Looking out my window towards the North there seems to be some darkish
cloud. Tuning the scanner to the Sydney ATIS (126.25) reports Cumulonimbus
in area but no storm warnings. I might scan the air freqs for a while and
see what the pilots say.
Awe hell, the sun just came out!
Avo Ohanian
IT Support
Macquarie University
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All quiet here at Terrey Hills ..been and gone 0.2mm rain
regards
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Craig Geddes
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Australia, 2084
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Hmmm,
Looking out my window towards the North there seems to be some darkish
cloud. Tuning the scanner to the Sydney ATIS (126.25) reports Cumulonimbus
in area but no storm warnings. I might scan the air freqs for a while and
see what the pilots say.
Awe hell, the sun just came out!
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From: davidkc at advanceenergy.com.au
Subject: aus-wx: Storms - Sydney
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Just recvd reports from mate listening to scanner in Sydney..
Maroubra Surf Club rook blown off, media there. Coogee also hit bad with
roofs and trees blown down..
Getting more reports soon..
Dave
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Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 13:16:32 +1000
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Ok I just got back from Maroubra (a few beaches down from Bondi)
and WOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWW.
Brief summary :
Large lowering and funnel cloud along the coastline between Maroubra and
La Parouse (sp) (awesome)
2.5cm hail driven by 50 knot winds, will check for dents shortly
a CG hit behind me, likely a powerpole, within 15 metres.
Matthew Smith
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From: "Dean McWhinney"
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:42:06 +1000
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yep i heard the same one on mine
i had small hail heavy rain only for a short time in petersham FOR ONCE WE
GET IT NOT THE WEST HORAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYY
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> Just recvd reports from mate listening to scanner in Sydney..
>
> Maroubra Surf Club rook blown off, media there. Coogee also hit bad with
> roofs and trees blown down..
>
> Getting more reports soon..
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
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From: NinnesM at franklins.com.au
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Subject: aus-wx: warnings and media
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:56:14 +1000
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I like the extra inclusions on the latest STA and STW's from the Sydney
BoM...
On the latest STW:
MEDIA PLEASE NOTE: No further Severe Thunderstorm WARNINGS will be issued
unless severe thunderstorms redevelop. A Severe Thunderstorm ADVICE is in
force advised of the POTENTIAL for such developments this afternoon.
On the STA:
MEDIA PLEASE NOTE: * This Advice message is valid until 4 pm. The Bureau and
SES would appreciate it being broadcast regularly until this time. * There
are currently no severe thunderstorms visible on radar. A more detailed
Severe Thunderstorm Warning will be issued if severe thunderstorms do
develop.
Hopefully this will fix those certain Sydney radio stations who like making
up their own thunderstorm warnings and forecasts.
Malcolm Ninnes
Unix Systems Admin
National Technical Services - Franklins Ltd
Ph. (02) 9722-1862
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From: Blair Trewin
Subject: Re: aus-wx: What caused Melbourne's Thursday downpour?
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>
> Hi Laurier.and all.
> This is not the first time I have seen this type of rain generating system
> across central Victoria,I believe in 1977 a similar situation produced 177mm
> in the Laverton area (92mm this time).A feature of this type of rain event
> is a rather narrow and vigorous rain band moving from a southwest,south, or
> southeast direction,its interesting to note that often the warmer air is on
> the west side (at the surface at least). I personally call this situation a
> "wrap around", some work has been done on this type of phenomena in the
> British Isles , I think they call the synoptic situation a "bent back
> occlusion" and this type of situation has produced narrow bands of heavy
> rain there(and localised heavy snow also).From my obs the situation is
> rather complex, the wrap around can be traced to an infeed band usually
> moving from the north or northeast to the east of the low and then
> converging into the low ,but sometimes the band wraps around the apparent
> low centre with multible spiralls often in the mature stage (an occluded
> low). This region has a very interesting set-up with colder air on the east
> side and warmer air to the west also there appears to be a narrow warm
> conveyer belt in the middle layers and generally all very moist,the region
> appears to develop into a strong convergence zone with most of the
> precipitation developing in the lower and mid levels with what appears to
> be copious amounts of "warm rain",the type of rain is often of the small to
> medium size (this may account for the lack of electrical activity) but I
> also encountered short spells of very heavy and large drops from what are
> possibly deeper and perhaps glaciated larger embedded cumuliform
> developments.The structure of this Melbourne rain band showed 20 to 30 knot
> south to south-westerly winds on the west side of the rain band and only
> light north to northeasterlie on the east side,it was markedly warmer on the
> west side at the surface .Also there is possibly good upper surport along
> the convergence line with relitivly strong upper winds of a southerly
> componant.regards Clyve Herbert.--- Original Message -----
I'd had a look at the April 1977 event as well. The synoptic
situation was comparable - Melbourne was on the western side of
a broad area of low pressure (couldn't find charts with sufficiently
high resolution to see whether the finer-scale pattern was similar).
Damage/general reports are tricky to come by - my usual source for
such things is the book of newspaper clippings, but because it
happened on the afternoon of Easter Thursday there were no papers for
another 36 hours, and the Monthly Weather Review wasn't much help
either. There were, however, reports of severe winds in the Altona
area, something largely absent from the 2001 event, and the rain
was both heavier and more widespread (188mm at Laverton, 132 at
Melbourne Airport, and several other triple-digit falls as far north-
east as Yan Yean).
Blair
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IDW16N02
TOP PRIORITY FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
Issued at 1426 on Monday the 2nd of April 2001
This advice affects people in the following weather districts:
Central Tablelands
Hunter
Thunderstorms are forecast within the advice area this afternoon. Some of
these may be severe bringing large hailstones, damaging winds and very
heavy rainfall.
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Gday all,
It was TCU heaven at work in Sydney today, after the fog cleared, they
just came in waves from the south, with 5 anvils present at one stage, damn
it was nice to see again!, at 4pm at home (Glenorie) getting some heavy
showers and thunder still, another cell has gone red NW of Bowral.
Steve Symonds from the BOM was on 702AM, blasting the radio stations
news teams for using the words freak storm and mini tornado,
saying theyre not freak storms and that 100 or so per year occur in NSW, and
also giving details of tornado occurences in Sydney including Wentworthville
and Granville, and mentioned the large funnel spotted in Maroubra, (possible
by Matt Smith?),, so that was good!... Cheers, Rune
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>Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:56:14 +1000
>
>I like the extra inclusions on the latest STA and STW's from the Sydney
>BoM...
>
>On the latest STW:
>MEDIA PLEASE NOTE: No further Severe Thunderstorm WARNINGS will be issued
>unless severe thunderstorms redevelop. A Severe Thunderstorm ADVICE is in
>force advised of the POTENTIAL for such developments this afternoon.
>
>On the STA:
>MEDIA PLEASE NOTE: * This Advice message is valid until 4 pm. The Bureau
>and
>SES would appreciate it being broadcast regularly until this time. * There
>are currently no severe thunderstorms visible on radar. A more detailed
>Severe Thunderstorm Warning will be issued if severe thunderstorms do
>develop.
>
>
>Hopefully this will fix those certain Sydney radio stations who like making
>up their own thunderstorm warnings and forecasts.
>
>
>Malcolm Ninnes
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IDW24400
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Media: The Emergency Warning Signal should NOT be used with this warning.
PRIORITY
TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 2
Issued at 12:40 pm WST on Monday, 2 April 2001
BY THE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING CENTRE PERTH
A WARNING is now current for Christmas Island for a Category 1 tropical
cyclone.
At 12 noon WST Tropical Cyclone Walter was estimated to be 260 kilometres east
of Christmas Island and moving west at 15 kilometres per hour.
Gales are not expected in the Christmas Island area today, but may develop on
Tuesday as the cyclone moves closer and intensifies.
Details of Tropical Cyclone Walter at 12 noon WST.
Location of centre : within 40 kilometres of
Latitude 10.0 South Longtitude 108.0 East.
Recent movement : West at 15 kilometres per hour.
Central Pressure : 995 hPa.
Maximum wind gusts : 90 kilometres per hour near the centre.
Severity category : 1.
The next advice will be issued at 4:00pm WST.
This advice is available by dialling 1300 659 210
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Jacob
Thanks for the message. Without it I would have missed formation.
Although I suspected this low had potential to develop, the MSL charts still
show a 1007 hpa low in the vicinity of Walter.
My eyes are drawn also to the TS flare ups closer to North QLD. Any one have
any thoughts for potential development in this area over the next few days.
Regards
Simon
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Subject: aus-wx: Cyclone Walter forms
>
> IDW24400
> BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
> WESTERN AUSTRALIAN REGIONAL OFFICE
>
> Media: The Emergency Warning Signal should NOT be used with this warning.
>
> PRIORITY
>
> TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 2
> Issued at 12:40 pm WST on Monday, 2 April 2001
> BY THE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
> TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING CENTRE PERTH
>
> A WARNING is now current for Christmas Island for a Category 1 tropical
> cyclone.
>
> At 12 noon WST Tropical Cyclone Walter was estimated to be 260 kilometres
east
> of Christmas Island and moving west at 15 kilometres per hour.
>
> Gales are not expected in the Christmas Island area today, but may develop
on
> Tuesday as the cyclone moves closer and intensifies.
>
> Details of Tropical Cyclone Walter at 12 noon WST.
>
> Location of centre : within 40 kilometres of
> Latitude 10.0 South Longtitude 108.0 East.
> Recent movement : West at 15 kilometres per hour.
> Central Pressure : 995 hPa.
> Maximum wind gusts : 90 kilometres per hour near the centre.
> Severity category : 1.
>
> The next advice will be issued at 4:00pm WST.
> This advice is available by dialling 1300 659 210
>
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And I can tell you that is exactly how things went in the Illawarra, the SE
was already up by sunrise, the Cb's developed off shore and stayed there.
There were showers from Wollongong city northwards, but here at my home it
is dry. Now over two weeks without rain.
Edge city yet again.
Michael
> you the SE'r is just that .... a Storm Eradicator
> Hopefully more reports to come .
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Hi Kevin/Clyve/all
Now, I must admit as to not being well versed in historical tornado
occurrences in the US (or anywhere for that matter :-P), so I tried
looking these events up, with the aim of finding pictures of what you
tried to describe. Unfortunately, I couldn't find any obvious examples,
so apologies if I misinterpret your question.
> When you say periphery do you mean internal or external to the main tornado?
My immediate thought about this was that the internal and external suction
vortices are the same thing. The 'internal' vortices are such that they
are hidden because of the condensation in the region which blocks them
from view. Dare I say that in weaker events where the central pressure
isn't as low, then the warming and drying associated with the downdraft
may be more conducive to produce more visible suction vortices, and so
make them appear to be external.
In my web searches I came across the following website:
http://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/d5vbcs/outbreak65.html
which has some photos of the Palm Sunday 1965 event, and shows twin
tornadoes:
http://members.nbci.com/d5vbcs/palmsunday/goshen4.gif
Now, I'm not sure if this is what you're referring to about the external
vortices, perhaps this may be too extreme an example. But in this case,
apparently this was the merger of two tornadoes. Perhaps things may(?) be
clearer once you read the answer to your second question.
> (question 2 I guess) are clusters of rotating vortices
> considered one tornado or separate?
I'm no expert here, but I'm guessing that you would probably judge a
tornado by its parent circulation. So if you see vortices orbiting around
a common centre, then you would define the centre as the tornado.
However, if these vortices are moving independent of each other, than they
would be classified as distinct tornadoes.
On Sat, 31 Mar 2001, clyve herbert wrote:
> i.e can an equation be established from the speed of the rotation above
> the friction boundary layer and then the retardation from this point to
> the surface of the earth,the resultant and at times severe suction
> spots/vortices may exhibit speeds briefly close to the non frictional
> speed of the main tornado?!!.It is well known from photographic analysis
> that these secondary vortices can produce much stronger gusts and damage
> than the mean frictionally retarded tornadatic circulation.
All I can say here is that before any downdraft within the tornado takes
place, the vertical vorticity is distributed across the whole diameter of
the tornado. As the downdraft descends, this vertical vorticity gets
concentrated in a thinner annulus around this downdraft, and hence would
result in increased wind speeds. With instabilities forming on this
annulus to form the suction vortices, they would rotate at some speed
around the central tornado while this tornado is translating at some other
speed. Add all these velocity components together (speed due to
concentrated vert. vorticity + speed of rotation of instabilities +
tornado speed), and you would come up with some fairly big speeds.
Obviously though, friction plays a big role and I'd imagine that most, if
not all F5 occurrences have been over flat countryside as opposed to
forested or very hilly/mountainous terrain.
One final thing, _I am by no means an expert here_, and all of what I've
mentioned so far has been from what I have read over the past week and
what I think. So feel free to criticise or add to anything that has been
said here.
Cheers
--
Robert A. Goler
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According to a radio report, a middle school in Oregon was faced with a
unique problem. A number of girls were beginning to use lipstick and would
put it on in the bathroom. That was fine, but after they put on their
lipstick, they would press their lips to the mirror leaving dozens of little
lip prints.
Finally the principal decided that something had to be done. She called all
the girls to the bathroom and met them there with the maintenance man. She
explained that all these lip prints were causing a major problem for the
custodian who had to clean the mirrors every night. To demonstrate how
difficult it was to clean the mirrors, she asked the maintenance guy to
clean one of the mirrors. He took out a long-handled squeegee, dipped it
into the toilet and then cleaned the mirror.
Since then there have been no lip prints on the mirror.
There are teachers and then there are teachers.
-----------------------------------------
Jimmy Deguara
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from
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NSW Australia
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Jimmy,
I have just seen that one sent to the Monash List Server. I agree as a
teacher/educator, it is very good.
Carolyn
> According to a radio report, a middle school in Oregon was faced with a
> unique problem. A number of girls were beginning to use lipstick and
would
> put it on in the bathroom. That was fine, but after they put on their
> lipstick, they would press their lips to the mirror leaving dozens of
little
> lip prints.
> Finally the principal decided that something had to be done. She called
all
> the girls to the bathroom and met them there with the maintenance man.
She
> explained that all these lip prints were causing a major problem for the
> custodian who had to clean the mirrors every night. To demonstrate how
> difficult it was to clean the mirrors, she asked the maintenance guy to
> clean one of the mirrors. He took out a long-handled squeegee, dipped it
> into the toilet and then cleaned the mirror.
> Since then there have been no lip prints on the mirror.
> There are teachers and then there are teachers.
>
> -----------------------------------------
> Jimmy Deguara
> Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher
>
> from
> Schofields, Sydney
> NSW Australia
>
> e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au
>
> Web Page with Michael Bath
>
> Australian Severe Weather Home Page
> http://www.australiasevereweather.com
>
> President of the Australian Severe Weather Association
> http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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Well I am just that.. A teacher.. well I attend classes anyway.
Jimmy Deguara
At 10:10 PM 2/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
>Jimmy,
>I have just seen that one sent to the Monash List Server. I agree as a
>teacher/educator, it is very good.
>
>Carolyn
>
>
> > According to a radio report, a middle school in Oregon was faced with a
> > unique problem. A number of girls were beginning to use lipstick and
>would
> > put it on in the bathroom. That was fine, but after they put on their
> > lipstick, they would press their lips to the mirror leaving dozens of
>little
> > lip prints.
> > Finally the principal decided that something had to be done. She called
>all
> > the girls to the bathroom and met them there with the maintenance man.
>She
> > explained that all these lip prints were causing a major problem for the
> > custodian who had to clean the mirrors every night. To demonstrate how
> > difficult it was to clean the mirrors, she asked the maintenance guy to
> > clean one of the mirrors. He took out a long-handled squeegee, dipped it
> > into the toilet and then cleaned the mirror.
> > Since then there have been no lip prints on the mirror.
> > There are teachers and then there are teachers.
> >
> > -----------------------------------------
> > Jimmy Deguara
> > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher
> >
> > from
> > Schofields, Sydney
> > NSW Australia
> >
> > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au
> >
> > Web Page with Michael Bath
> >
> > Australian Severe Weather Home Page
> > http://www.australiasevereweather.com
> >
> > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association
> > http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: warnings and media
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The Bureau is upset at the term "freak storm" from a meteorological
perspective? But from the public perspective describing them as freak is
perfectly reasonable. To the residents of Maroubra this storm was most
likely a very rare event. I don't think it's reasonable for the media to
have an understanding of the broadscale frequency of these storms.
In talking to the local residents the radio stations would have heard from
many people that they had never seen a storm like it. Therefore to the
public in Maroubra it is a freak event. End of story. No point getting
worked up about it.
Steve Symonds is a usually a good commentator but a tornado in
Wentworthville is of no consolation to the folks putting their lives back
together in Maroubra.
The Bureau need to understand that the media reports the news from the
people's perspective. In order to be on the same wavelength the Bureau
should also be commenting on these events from the public perspective as
well. While the Bureau continue to position severe events in a strictly
meteorological manner there will continue to be a communication gulf between
the Bureau and the media/public.
Mark
> From: "Rune Peitersen"
> Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:14:26 +1000
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: warnings and media
>
> Gday all,
> It was TCU heaven at work in Sydney today, after the fog cleared, they
> just came in waves from the south, with 5 anvils present at one stage, damn
> it was nice to see again!, at 4pm at home (Glenorie) getting some heavy
> showers and thunder still, another cell has gone red NW of Bowral.
> Steve Symonds from the BOM was on 702AM, blasting the radio stations
> news teams for using the words freak storm and mini tornado,
> saying theyre not freak storms and that 100 or so per year occur in NSW, and
> also giving details of tornado occurences in Sydney including Wentworthville
> and Granville, and mentioned the large funnel spotted in Maroubra, (possible
> by Matt Smith?),, so that was good!... Cheers, Rune
>
>> From: NinnesM at franklins.com.au
>> Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
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>> Subject: aus-wx: warnings and media
>> Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:56:14 +1000
>>
>> I like the extra inclusions on the latest STA and STW's from the Sydney
>> BoM...
>>
>> On the latest STW:
>> MEDIA PLEASE NOTE: No further Severe Thunderstorm WARNINGS will be issued
>> unless severe thunderstorms redevelop. A Severe Thunderstorm ADVICE is in
>> force advised of the POTENTIAL for such developments this afternoon.
>>
>> On the STA:
>> MEDIA PLEASE NOTE: * This Advice message is valid until 4 pm. The Bureau
>> and
>> SES would appreciate it being broadcast regularly until this time. * There
>> are currently no severe thunderstorms visible on radar. A more detailed
>> Severe Thunderstorm Warning will be issued if severe thunderstorms do
>> develop.
>>
>>
>> Hopefully this will fix those certain Sydney radio stations who like making
>> up their own thunderstorm warnings and forecasts.
>>
>>
>> Malcolm Ninnes
>> Unix Systems Admin
>> National Technical Services - Franklins Ltd
>> Ph. (02) 9722-1862
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Hi Jacob and All.
Does any body have BoM TC Advices #1 and #3 for TC Walter?
If so, please email them to me at carls at ace-net.com.au.
TCA#5 is pasted below.
Regards,
Carl.
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>
>TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 5
>Issued at 9:55 pm WST on Monday, 2 April 2001
>BY THE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
>TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING CENTRE PERTH
>
>A WARNING is current for Christmas Island for a category 1 tropical cyclone.
>
>At 9 pm WST Tropical Cyclone Walter was estimated to be 100 kilometres
>northeast
>of Christmas Island and moving west at 15 kilometres per hour.
>
>Gales with gusts to 100 km/hr could develop in the Christmas Island area
>overnight, as the cyclone passes close to the Island.
>
>Details of Tropical Cyclone Walter at 9 pm WST.
>
> Location of centre : within 40 kilometres of
> Latitude 9.8 South Longitude 106.3 East.
> Recent movement : West at 15 kilometres per hour.
> Central Pressure : 995 hPa.
> Maximum wind gusts : 100 kilometres per hour near the centre.
> Severity category : 1.
>
>The next advice will be issued at 1:00am WST Tuesday.
>This advice is available by dialling 1300 659 210
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Hi Simon and All.
>Jacob
>
>Thanks for the message. Without it I would have missed formation.
>
>Although I suspected this low had potential to develop, the MSL charts still
>show a 1007 hpa low in the vicinity of Walter.
>
>My eyes are drawn also to the TS flare ups closer to North QLD. Any one have
>any thoughts for potential development in this area over the next few days.
>
>Regards
>Simon
Whilst either of the two main TS flare ups E of Cape York do look like they
could have some potential for development if they continue to organise for
a few days as they have quite cold cloud tops, I would not hold my breath
waiting as the extent of the clouds is quite small, with the one near 150E
being the best candidate. When I colour enhanced the 021132 satpic it looks
to me like there is a weak monsoonal low over the Gulf of Carpentaria area
which could be a better candidate for development, however it would also
have to get rather better organised than it is at the moment.
TCA#6 for Walter pasted below.
Regards,
Carl.
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>Issued at 12:50 am WST on Tuesday, 3 April 2001
>BY THE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
>TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING CENTRE PERTH
>
>A WARNING is current for Christmas Island for a category 1 tropical cyclone.
>
>At midnight WST Tropical Cyclone Walter was estimated to be 100 kilometres
>northnortheast of Christmas Island and moving westnorthwest at 14
>kilometres per
>hour.
>
>Gales with gusts to 100 km/hr could develop in the Christmas Island area early
>this morning, as the cyclone passes close to the Island.
>
>Details of Tropical Cyclone Walter at midnight WST.
>
> Location of centre : within 40 kilometres of
> Latitude 9.6 South Longitude 106.1 East.
> Recent movement : Westnorthwest at 14 kilometres per hour.
> Central Pressure : 995 hPa.
> Maximum wind gusts : 100 kilometres per hour near the centre.
> Severity category : 1.
>
>The next advice will be issued at 4:00am WST Tuesday.
>This advice is available by dialling 1300 659 210
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> The Bureau need to understand that the media reports the news from the
> people's perspective. In order to be on the same wavelength the Bureau
> should also be commenting on these events from the public perspective as
> well. While the Bureau continue to position severe events in a strictly
> meteorological manner there will continue to be a communication gulf between
> the Bureau and the media/public.
This is not all that true... The media [1] reports what will sell copies, in the
way to best exploit that event. People don't want information, they want
exciting information, and this is what they get when the media takes a storm and
turns it into "Freak Storm Hits Beach, Residents Saw Tornado".
The Bureau will always be in a position of trying to present factual information
to those who need it, while being seen as a stick in the mud by the general
population.
My whole view on this is IF there was enough funding to go around, then a
separate general media section could be tacked on that could take the sci
information, and "dumb it down" for the media and general population.
Those with sci backgrounds or knowledge could still get the exact information
they require, and the media and general population would get the weather
delivered in a language that sells/excites without being distorted.
Pauly (kinda part of that media, but trying hard not to be)
[1] General media, the sort that you see on TV and most newspapers
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Ah...memories...
I don't recall the synoptic situation too well (these were the pre-internet
days where, if you missed the TV weather, you had to wait for the newspaper
to get a 24 out of date SLP and satellite image.) I missed the TV weather
that night...
I was a student at Monash Uni and was returning to Ballarat for Easter. I
left Monash at around 3pm after drinking lots of coffee and frantically
finishing some assignments. I wasn't too aware of the rain until I got onto
the Tullamarine (now Calder?) Fwy and there I stayed for the next four hours
in traffic that was brought to a standstill.
My most vivid memory was feeling my bladder fill past bursting point - but
being surrounded by stationary cars full of people, torrential rain and more
rain and water and running water and water everywhere and even more
water.....and my over-full bladder.... agonising as it was, there was not
much I could do to relieve the situation... (I think after about 3 hours and
increasingly desparate and fuzzy headed, I found a plastic bag..but not a
very big one!!)
After hours of continuing agony and centimeter by painfull centimeter, I
finally got to Keilor where the freeway was completely closed by flooding
and we were sent back to Melbourne. :-(
At least the traffic was moving in this direction (must have averaged an
impressive 5-10 kmh)and I managed to get off the freeway and find a public
convenience for a couple of very relieving minutes...
I finally got to Ballarat at 1.00am - a ten hour trip normally done in just
under two.
Also noticed how comparatively dry everything was once I got past the
Melton/Bacchus Marsh area.
It was certainly a weather induced experience that has long remained ethched
in my memory - and other anatomical regions!!
Patrick
>From: Blair Trewin
[snip..]
>
>I'd had a look at the April 1977 event as well. The synoptic
>situation was comparable - Melbourne was on the western side of
>a broad area of low pressure (couldn't find charts with sufficiently
>high resolution to see whether the finer-scale pattern was similar).
>
>Damage/general reports are tricky to come by - my usual source for
>such things is the book of newspaper clippings, but because it
>happened on the afternoon of Easter Thursday there were no papers for
>another 36 hours, and the Monthly Weather Review wasn't much help
>either. There were, however, reports of severe winds in the Altona
>area, something largely absent from the 2001 event, and the rain
>was both heavier and more widespread (188mm at Laverton, 132 at
>Melbourne Airport, and several other triple-digit falls as far north-
>east as Yan Yean).
>
>Blair
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Couldn't agree more Paul. In fact the dumbing down part is largely what guys
like Don White and ourselves do quite well. We like to call it "repackaging
but maybe we are just kidding ourselves. My point was that the Bureau have
never been good at it and your funding point is pretty valid.
> From: "Paul Mirtschin"
> Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 09:02:27 +1000
> To:
> Subject: RE: aus-wx: warnings and media
>
> The Bureau will always be in a position of trying to present factual
> information
> to those who need it, while being seen as a stick in the mud by the general
> population.
>
> My whole view on this is IF there was enough funding to go around, then a
> separate general media section could be tacked on that could take the sci
> information, and "dumb it down" for the media and general population.
>
> Those with sci backgrounds or knowledge could still get the exact information
> they require, and the media and general population would get the weather
> delivered in a language that sells/excites without being distorted.
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Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 13:12:32 +1000
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Move :-)
Macca
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> And I can tell you that is exactly how things went in the Illawarra, the
SE
> was already up by sunrise, the Cb's developed off shore and stayed there.
>
> There were showers from Wollongong city northwards, but here at my home it
> is dry. Now over two weeks without rain.
>
> Edge city yet again.
>
> Michael
>
>
> > you the SE'r is just that .... a Storm Eradicator
> > Hopefully more reports to come .
> >
>
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> Couldn't agree more Paul. In fact the dumbing down part is largely what guys
> like Don White and ourselves do quite well. We like to call it "repackaging
> but maybe we are just kidding ourselves. My point was that the Bureau have
> never been good at it and your funding point is pretty valid.
Maybe the Bureau needs to write press releases to send to the media in a format
that is both informative and exciting... Perhaps a "significant weather report"
that can be sent before/during/after an event that includes the language that
they will use anyway, but that will put a bit more truth int here... The Bureau
gets enough of a hard time from not knowing when these "freaks" hit, maybe this
could work as damage control in these instances.
Anyway, enough rambling, I might try to get out in this nice weather before I
play journalist again...
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Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 14:54:35 +1000
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Finished up a report and scanned some photographs from the storms here
yesterday.
http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/2001/April2.htm
Photos include lowerings, huge inflow band and a multi vortex funnel
cloud.
Now that I have had a chance to look at radar, the inflow band was
associated with the first storm that moved up the coast, (although I did
not see any lightning from it, but it weakened as it crossed the coast).
The lowerings and funnels are from the 2nd storm. Both were red on radar
for a while. Excuse the lowish quality of scans, my scanner sux with
dark colours.
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Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 15:26:05 +1000
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Fantastic report and photos!
Well done! Some strong rotation there, visible just by looking at the
photos!
AC
Matt Smith wrote:
>
> Finished up a report and scanned some photographs from the storms here
> yesterday.
>
> http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/2001/April2.htm
>
> Photos include lowerings, huge inflow band and a multi vortex funnel
> cloud.
>
> Now that I have had a chance to look at radar, the inflow band was
> associated with the first storm that moved up the coast, (although I did
> not see any lightning from it, but it weakened as it crossed the coast).
> The lowerings and funnels are from the 2nd storm. Both were red on radar
> for a while. Excuse the lowish quality of scans, my scanner sux with
> dark colours.
>
> Matthew Smith
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Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 16:47:57 +1000
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Hi Mark and all,
Mark, I agree with you on that point. As I have said some time before, we
don't have to get work up about the words mini-tornado and so on. We know
what we are talking about and that's what matters. We hear this argument
every time it happens. It begins to get monotonous.
Cheers
Jimmy Deguara
At 06:19 PM 2/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
>The Bureau is upset at the term "freak storm" from a meteorological
>perspective? But from the public perspective describing them as freak is
>perfectly reasonable. To the residents of Maroubra this storm was most
>likely a very rare event. I don't think it's reasonable for the media to
>have an understanding of the broadscale frequency of these storms.
>
>In talking to the local residents the radio stations would have heard from
>many people that they had never seen a storm like it. Therefore to the
>public in Maroubra it is a freak event. End of story. No point getting
>worked up about it.
>
>Steve Symonds is a usually a good commentator but a tornado in
>Wentworthville is of no consolation to the folks putting their lives back
>together in Maroubra.
>
>The Bureau need to understand that the media reports the news from the
>people's perspective. In order to be on the same wavelength the Bureau
>should also be commenting on these events from the public perspective as
>well. While the Bureau continue to position severe events in a strictly
>meteorological manner there will continue to be a communication gulf between
>the Bureau and the media/public.
>
>Mark
>
> > From: "Rune Peitersen"
> > Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:14:26 +1000
> > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: warnings and media
> >
> > Gday all,
> > It was TCU heaven at work in Sydney today, after the fog cleared, they
> > just came in waves from the south, with 5 anvils present at one stage, damn
> > it was nice to see again!, at 4pm at home (Glenorie) getting some heavy
> > showers and thunder still, another cell has gone red NW of Bowral.
> > Steve Symonds from the BOM was on 702AM, blasting the radio stations
> > news teams for using the words freak storm and mini tornado,
> > saying theyre not freak storms and that 100 or so per year occur in
> NSW, and
> > also giving details of tornado occurences in Sydney including
> Wentworthville
> > and Granville, and mentioned the large funnel spotted in Maroubra,
> (possible
> > by Matt Smith?),, so that was good!... Cheers, Rune
> >
> >> From: NinnesM at franklins.com.au
> >> Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >> Subject: aus-wx: warnings and media
> >> Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:56:14 +1000
> >>
> >> I like the extra inclusions on the latest STA and STW's from the Sydney
> >> BoM...
> >>
> >> On the latest STW:
> >> MEDIA PLEASE NOTE: No further Severe Thunderstorm WARNINGS will be issued
> >> unless severe thunderstorms redevelop. A Severe Thunderstorm ADVICE is in
> >> force advised of the POTENTIAL for such developments this afternoon.
> >>
> >> On the STA:
> >> MEDIA PLEASE NOTE: * This Advice message is valid until 4 pm. The Bureau
> >> and
> >> SES would appreciate it being broadcast regularly until this time. * There
> >> are currently no severe thunderstorms visible on radar. A more detailed
> >> Severe Thunderstorm Warning will be issued if severe thunderstorms do
> >> develop.
> >>
> >>
> >> Hopefully this will fix those certain Sydney radio stations who like
> making
> >> up their own thunderstorm warnings and forecasts.
> >>
> >>
> >> Malcolm Ninnes
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Paul, Mark, Jimmy - others ...
The expression "dumbing down" is not really appropriate. It is rather
arrogant to assume that an explanation is more usable and understood
language is dumbing down. Economics is something that always fascinated
me but something I never really understood. I find the layman's
explanations of someone like the Sydney Morning Herald's Ross Gittings
bot useful informatative and interesting. Maybe he thinks there is
dumbing down in his explanations - that only one of his I didn't like
was
"Why did God invent weather forecasters?"
The answer "To make economists look good".
These days it should be the other way around.
Why anybody reading the morning papaers would want an explanation of
what happened in yesterday's storm is beyond me... the effects are the
news.
Enough from me.
Cheers,
Don White
Paul Mirtschin wrote:
>
> > Couldn't agree more Paul. In fact the dumbing down part is largely what guys
> > like Don White and ourselves do quite well. We like to call it "repackaging
> > but maybe we are just kidding ourselves. My point was that the Bureau have
> > never been good at it and your funding point is pretty valid.
>
> Maybe the Bureau needs to write press releases to send to the media in a format
> that is both informative and exciting... Perhaps a "significant weather report"
> that can be sent before/during/after an event that includes the language that
> they will use anyway, but that will put a bit more truth int here... The Bureau
> gets enough of a hard time from not knowing when these "freaks" hit, maybe this
> could work as damage control in these instances.
>
> Anyway, enough rambling, I might try to get out in this nice weather before I
> play journalist again...
>
> --------------------------------------
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> Nothing Communications & Design
> paul at nothingdesign.com.au
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Carl
Thanks for that.
I think I'd gone to sleep regarding TC's this year southern hemisphere
generally, but Coral Sea and eastward especially.
My attention has now turned more toward the disturbance (?) just to the NE
of Vanuatu (hope that is how you spell Vana-wotsit).
Couple of good TC swirls farther out in Indian Ocean also. One of which is
already a TC according to JTWC.
Regards
Simon
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Cyclone Walter forms
> Hi Simon and All.
>
> >Jacob
> >
> >Thanks for the message. Without it I would have missed formation.
> >
> >Although I suspected this low had potential to develop, the MSL charts
still
> >show a 1007 hpa low in the vicinity of Walter.
> >
> >My eyes are drawn also to the TS flare ups closer to North QLD. Any one
have
> >any thoughts for potential development in this area over the next few
days.
> >
> >Regards
> >Simon
>
>
> Whilst either of the two main TS flare ups E of Cape York do look like
they
> could have some potential for development if they continue to organise for
> a few days as they have quite cold cloud tops, I would not hold my breath
> waiting as the extent of the clouds is quite small, with the one near 150E
> being the best candidate. When I colour enhanced the 021132 satpic it
looks
> to me like there is a weak monsoonal low over the Gulf of Carpentaria area
> which could be a better candidate for development, however it would also
> have to get rather better organised than it is at the moment.
>
> TCA#6 for Walter pasted below.
>
> Regards,
> Carl.
>
> >IDW24400
> >BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
> >WESTERN AUSTRALIAN REGIONAL OFFICE
> >
> >Media: The Emergency Warning Signal should NOT be used with this warning.
> >
> >PRIORITY
> >
> >TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 6
> >Issued at 12:50 am WST on Tuesday, 3 April 2001
> >BY THE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
> >TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING CENTRE PERTH
> >
> >A WARNING is current for Christmas Island for a category 1 tropical
cyclone.
> >
> >At midnight WST Tropical Cyclone Walter was estimated to be 100
kilometres
> >northnortheast of Christmas Island and moving westnorthwest at 14
> >kilometres per
> >hour.
> >
> >Gales with gusts to 100 km/hr could develop in the Christmas Island area
early
> >this morning, as the cyclone passes close to the Island.
> >
> >Details of Tropical Cyclone Walter at midnight WST.
> >
> > Location of centre : within 40 kilometres of
> > Latitude 9.6 South Longitude 106.1 East.
> > Recent movement : Westnorthwest at 14 kilometres per hour.
> > Central Pressure : 995 hPa.
> > Maximum wind gusts : 100 kilometres per hour near the centre.
> > Severity category : 1.
> >
> >The next advice will be issued at 4:00am WST Tuesday.
> >This advice is available by dialling 1300 659 210
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Currently severe storms in Orange, Springhill, Molong, Springside, Forest
Reefs, Canowindra, Walli, Millthorpe, Woodstock, Coonabarabran,..
Power reported off in most of these areas..
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Hi all,
Given that there are some active thunderstorms tonight around the
Central West of NSW (which is an indication of the unstable air aloft), I am
thinking that maybe tomorrow may see more isolated storms (even severe) as
the Mesolaps model shows a trough by tomorrow night extending from around
Sydney to the north of the state...The waters offshore are still very warm
as winds tend northeasterly there should be a favourable fuel source. There
is no mention on the official BoM forecast as such.
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Photos from yesterday.
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I agree Anthony,
I certainly am interested in the photo
http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/pictures/Matt/2001/04-02-01-06.htm
Seems to be reminiscent to
http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/1206jd23.jpg
This shows vertically tilted vorticy and I like the funnels. There is no
doubts the others were funnel(s).
Great stuff Matt.
Jimmy Deguara
At 03:26 PM 3/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
>Fantastic report and photos!
>
>Well done! Some strong rotation there, visible just by looking at the
>photos!
>
>AC
>
>Matt Smith wrote:
> >
> > Finished up a report and scanned some photographs from the storms here
> > yesterday.
> >
> > http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/2001/April2.htm
> >
> > Photos include lowerings, huge inflow band and a multi vortex funnel
> > cloud.
> >
> > Now that I have had a chance to look at radar, the inflow band was
> > associated with the first storm that moved up the coast, (although I did
> > not see any lightning from it, but it weakened as it crossed the coast).
> > The lowerings and funnels are from the 2nd storm. Both were red on radar
> > for a while. Excuse the lowish quality of scans, my scanner sux with
> > dark colours.
> >
> > Matthew Smith
> > http://www.sydneystormchasers.com
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Hi Robert,
I take your other points on board but the quote below
"... As the downdraft descends, this vertical vorticity gets
concentrated in a thinner annulus around this downdraft, and hence would
result in increased wind speeds..."
seems to imply that conservation of angular momentum causes the velocity
increase in vortices. Now (I stand to be corrected here as usual) but I am
reliably informed that conservation of angular momentum (from the rotating
TS) has little to do with tornado formation. I can check back thru the
archives but I think it was Les Lemon who informed the list (if it
wasn't...billions of apologies!!!)
If you mean that the circulation within the wall cloud influences tornado
speeds by conservation of momentum then I need to ask how the (admittedly
rare) contra-rotating vortices form...
BTW...the twin vortices on the Palm Sunday outbreak site ring a bell but I
also recall a triplet photo from somewhere and the inner vortices I was
talking about may be best called mini-swirls (from some work done on TCs...)
Don't know if I've made my query easier or more obscure...:((
Cheers,
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hi john, all
i am in queensland so i got no hope:( i love the aurora, though i've never
seen it.
i thought we might have had a reply from someone in the south.
have you photographed any from where you are??
steve
The Aurora Australis was viewed last evening (between 10pm and midnight
local time)
over many parts of the South Island with some good views observed from my
home in Christchurch on the east coast of the South Island.
Mainly orange coloured hues in an arc across the sky with weak light beams
from the south. bluey whitish glow to the south. A feint "set of curtains"
was observed about 1130pm local time. Unfortunatelty, not all that clear to
be recorded on video here.
Although not as spectacular as the AA I viewed last time, it made the
viewing something worthwhile as there hasn't been much weather to watch of
late.
Any observations from Australia?
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I thought it was interesting that the Channel 9 news reported the Bureau
suggesting the storm could have been a lot worse and Maroubra only scored
the tail end of it. If true, it would suggest that they had additional
information, perhaps from the Kurnell Doppler radar...
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> I agree Anthony,
>
> I certainly am interested in the photo
>
> http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/pictures/Matt/2001/04-02-01-06.htm
>
> Seems to be reminiscent to
>
> http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/1206jd23.jpg
>
> This shows vertically tilted vorticy and I like the funnels. There is no
> doubts the others were funnel(s).
>
> Great stuff Matt.
>
> Jimmy Deguara
>
> At 03:26 PM 3/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
> >Fantastic report and photos!
> >
> >Well done! Some strong rotation there, visible just by looking at the
> >photos!
> >
> >AC
> >
> >Matt Smith wrote:
> > >
> > > Finished up a report and scanned some photographs from the storms here
> > > yesterday.
> > >
> > > http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/2001/April2.htm
> > >
> > > Photos include lowerings, huge inflow band and a multi vortex funnel
> > > cloud.
> > >
> > > Now that I have had a chance to look at radar, the inflow band was
> > > associated with the first storm that moved up the coast, (although I
did
> > > not see any lightning from it, but it weakened as it crossed the
coast).
> > > The lowerings and funnels are from the 2nd storm. Both were red on
radar
> > > for a while. Excuse the lowish quality of scans, my scanner sux with
> > > dark colours.
> > >
> > > Matthew Smith
> > > http://www.sydneystormchasers.com
> > >
> > >
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> was
> "Why did God invent weather forecasters?"
>
> The answer "To make economists look good".
>
I think the fortunes of the Australian dollar over the years proves
economists are pretty clueless. Over the years these are actual comments
that I have heard.
" The Australian Dollar rode down against the pound on the back of the green
back " - must have jumped off that green back at some stage.
" The Australian Dollar is weak because Australia is seen as a commodity
country and commodity prices are weak" - well commodity prices have
increased - Gold, oil, even coal.
" The Australia Dollar is weak as interest are low making it an unattractive
investment " - why wasn't the Aussi worth a squillion back in the 18%
interest days then.
" The Australia Dollars is pegged to the fortunes of the Euro " - only when
the Euro is falling it seems.
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Believe me if I could I would !!
Still dry by the way.
Michael
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> Move :-)
>
> Macca
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>
>
> > And I can tell you that is exactly how things went in the Illawarra, the
> SE
> > was already up by sunrise, the Cb's developed off shore and stayed
there.
> >
> > There were showers from Wollongong city northwards, but here at my home
it
> > is dry. Now over two weeks without rain.
> >
> > Edge city yet again.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > > you the SE'r is just that .... a Storm Eradicator
> > > Hopefully more reports to come .
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> >
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Hi every1,
I've just posted the March 2001 data that I've archived...
http://wycheproof.www3.50megs.com/
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Hi Matt.
Your report and photos of the storms near to the east coast and Sydney
should be commended, an excellent report congratulations.regards Clyve
Herbert. ASWA Victoria.
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Hi Kevin
Thanks for the reply. This may start to get messy, so let's see how this
goes.
On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Kevin Phyland wrote:
> [Comment by me]
> "... As the downdraft descends, this vertical vorticity gets
> concentrated in a thinner annulus around this downdraft, and hence would
> result in increased wind speeds..."
>
> seems to imply that conservation of angular momentum causes the velocity
> increase in vortices. Now (I stand to be corrected here as usual) but I am
> reliably informed that conservation of angular momentum (from the rotating
> TS) has little to do with tornado formation. I can check back thru the
> archives but I think it was Les Lemon who informed the list (if it
> wasn't...billions of apologies!!!)
>
Keep in mind here that I haven't mentioned anything about the formation of
the _entire_ tornado complex, but merely the smaller scale suction
vortices. _These_ I feel are governed by vorticity concentration.
However, if this is not the case, then I'm happy to hear other
explanations.
I haven't disputed the fact that the entire tornado circulation is
initiated at cloud level. Perhaps see below for a clarification.
> If you mean that the circulation within the wall cloud influences tornado
> speeds by conservation of momentum then I need to ask how the (admittedly
> rare) contra-rotating vortices form...
I must admit that my comment about the concentration of vorticity leading
to an increase in wind speed wasn't as specific as I should have made it,
so apologies there. The vorticity concentration leads to increased
windspeeds at _localised_ regions around with updraft/downdraft boundary,
and not _throughout_ the entire tornado circulation. The above comment ""
may have implied the windspeeds increase throughout the tornado, and thus
imply that the tornado as a whole intensifies through this process.
In reality, this annulus isn't going to be perfectly round owing to the
presence of barotropic instabilities which occur on this surface.
Consequently, at these localised regions within this "annulus"
vorticity will be concentrated more, and so in these regions, winds will
be more intense and these regions are the suctions spots. [I hope I'm
clearer here :-P]
So, the key thing here is that this vorticity concentration occurs on a
smaller scale to the tornado, resulting in localised pockets of higher
velocity.
One question that could be asked is how do these barotropic instabilities
arise on this annulus of higher vorticity? At the moment I have an idea,
but I need to read some more. [Perhaps best if no one asks :-)]
Just reading back through my first email on this topic, I think I may
see where you're coming from in your first comment. I was sort of
thrown off by the inclusion of the quoted sentence, and so I thought
your query was relating to that.
In my first email when I mentioned the movement of a parcel of air
towards/away from the axis of rotation based on angular momentum
conservation, I assumed the tornado was already in full swing. I wasn't
trying to say that the tornado builds from the ground up through
conservation of angular momentum. I was merely formulating an explanation
of how the hourglass shape of the wind field comes about through the
conservation of angular momentum law. So apologies if this was a little
unclear.
I think I've bored/confused people enough. But once again, if anyone has
their own thoughts/queries, just let fly!
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Noting the history of waterspouts just off land around Bondi, would I be
incorrect in assuming one of these beasts actually hit land Monday morning?
Just checking the lightning data off Weatherzone and central NSW is alive
people. Actually, I am getting quite a bit of static on my scanner whilst
"trying" to get the BBC world service. Maybe longwire antenna on a kite
would be better.. :-)
Hmmmmmmm. Time to walk outside and see if my fur starts to rise (same thing
happens when you happen to accidentally touch the still attached earthing
cap of a not so discharged monitor tube...... OUCH!)
As a matter of interest, I live 5 houses away from an extremely large tree
(we are talking the mother of all trees in Willoughby) and for the 28 years
I have been around, I can not remember it ever being struck by lightning. It
is most definitely the tallest object around for at least 4 or 5 kays (then
you got the towers for Channels 2,7,9,10... you name it... RF HELL!). In
fact, if memory serves me right, my neighbours TV antenna got a direct hit
once many moons ago (did some wonderfull stuff to it and the connected TV)
but the tree got nuffin'. Interesting.........
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Macquarie University
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Paul,
I'm not sure if their way of reporting it was a misguided interpretation
of something that was noted in one of the warnings (not advices) issued
by the BoM yeterday. In one of their updates they mentioned that most of
the action (in a particular cell) had moved out to see, but coastal
areas could still be affected by the 'western flank' of the storm.
Just guessing...
Andrew.
"The Weather Co." wrote:
>
> I thought it was interesting that the Channel 9 news reported the Bureau
> suggesting the storm could have been a lot worse and Maroubra only scored
> the tail end of it. If true, it would suggest that they had additional
> information, perhaps from the Kurnell Doppler radar...
> Paul G.
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> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 7:31 PM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Photos from yesterday.
>
> > I agree Anthony,
> >
> > I certainly am interested in the photo
> >
> > http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/pictures/Matt/2001/04-02-01-06.htm
> >
> > Seems to be reminiscent to
> >
> > http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/1206jd23.jpg
> >
> > This shows vertically tilted vorticy and I like the funnels. There is no
> > doubts the others were funnel(s).
> >
> > Great stuff Matt.
> >
> > Jimmy Deguara
> >
> > At 03:26 PM 3/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
> > >Fantastic report and photos!
> > >
> > >Well done! Some strong rotation there, visible just by looking at the
> > >photos!
> > >
> > >AC
> > >
> > >Matt Smith wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Finished up a report and scanned some photographs from the storms here
> > > > yesterday.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/2001/April2.htm
> > > >
> > > > Photos include lowerings, huge inflow band and a multi vortex funnel
> > > > cloud.
> > > >
> > > > Now that I have had a chance to look at radar, the inflow band was
> > > > associated with the first storm that moved up the coast, (although I
> did
> > > > not see any lightning from it, but it weakened as it crossed the
> coast).
> > > > The lowerings and funnels are from the 2nd storm. Both were red on
> radar
> > > > for a while. Excuse the lowish quality of scans, my scanner sux with
> > > > dark colours.
> > > >
> > > > Matthew Smith
> > > > http://www.sydneystormchasers.com
> > > >
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> > from
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> >
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Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 00:02:51 +1000
From: Matt Smith
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Hi
Thanks ! certainly didnt expect these kind words from people.
Commended? Hah that will never happen... I dont think anyone really cares in
the real world besides the group here... which is all that counts.. I enjoy
it, the adventure, the uncertanty, not knowing what you will see or what might
happen.. If you can get out there and take some chances, it can pay off.
We did not get a storm here at home that day, drive 15km or so and its amazing
what you can see :)
With regards to the damage...it seemed very confined to a corragated iron roof
on the surf club, which blew off and debri from that caused other damage to
shop windows etc. I would rule out a tornado almost... the thing that gets me
is that, that area would often cop 50knot+ winds with strong fronts etc, so
why did the roof rip off this time? Maybe it just weakened over time...
Should have sold a few seconds of the video footage to a TV station.... The
sound of the flanger is awesome with the hail hitting the car. (no video of
the funnel) Didnt think of it until later that night though :(
You'll see these photos and video soon clyve :)
Ok im babbliny now. Off to bed, i have an early start. Will keep an eye out
tomorrow after todays activity along the trough line, I would deffinatly
expect more action.
Matt Smith
clyve herbert wrote:
> Hi Matt.
> Your report and photos of the storms near to the east coast and Sydney
> should be commended, an excellent report congratulations.regards Clyve
> Herbert. ASWA Victoria.
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Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 13:11:20 -0600
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Hi,
There is a bright side to all this, the more misinformed hysteria the better
for us researchers! Public wants answers = more funding.
Cheers, Lyle
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> > Couldn't agree more Paul. In fact the dumbing down part is largely what
guys
> > like Don White and ourselves do quite well. We like to call it
"repackaging
> > but maybe we are just kidding ourselves. My point was that the Bureau
have
> > never been good at it and your funding point is pretty valid.
>
> Maybe the Bureau needs to write press releases to send to the media in a
format
> that is both informative and exciting... Perhaps a "significant weather
report"
> that can be sent before/during/after an event that includes the language
that
> they will use anyway, but that will put a bit more truth int here... The
Bureau
> gets enough of a hard time from not knowing when these "freaks" hit, maybe
this
> could work as damage control in these instances.
>
> Anyway, enough rambling, I might try to get out in this nice weather
before I
> play journalist again...
>
> --------------------------------------
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> Everybody is somebody else's freak
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From: Carl Smith
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Hi Simon and All.
>Carl
>
>Thanks for that.
>
>I think I'd gone to sleep regarding TC's this year southern hemisphere
>generally, but Coral Sea and eastward especially.
Yes, not much this side of Australia so far this season - 2000/2001 could
end up being among the least active years for the Coral Sea.
>My attention has now turned more toward the disturbance (?) just to the NE
>of Vanuatu (hope that is how you spell Vana-wotsit).
Yep, that is how we spell the place we pronounce as Van-oo-ah-too :-)
The Solomons has some potential in a few days by the look of the cold cloud
tops in that area. The stuff around Cape York to the Top End could spawn
something in a few days if it gets better organised, but every time
something starts to look promising it looses organisation and bubbles up
somewhere else.
>Couple of good TC swirls farther out in Indian Ocean also. One of which is
>already a TC according to JTWC.
Perth BoM identified it as a significant TC with 55 knot 10 min sustained
winds in a satellite bulletin to RA-1 countries issued at 1743Z 02/04/01
before any other agency took much notice of it - MFR Reunion still has it
as a tropical disturbance with 30 knot winds - seems that the other
agencies are very slow off the mark at the moment. TC Walter is finally
being acknowledged as TC 17S by JTWC.
I have uploaded a 3 day 6 hourly IR satellite animation showing the
development of TC Walter and all the stuff around the Top End - W Coral Sea
at http://www.ace-net.com.au/~carls/SatpicLoop.htm - this one has my latest
colour enhancement experiment applied which shows structure better than any
other one I have done so far.
You will find links to all warnings etc on my website at:
http://www.ace-net.com.au/~carls/current.htm
>
>Regards
>Simon
Regards,
Carl.
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Hi Simon and All.
>My attention has now turned more toward the disturbance (?) just to the NE
>of Vanuatu (hope that is how you spell Vana-wotsit).
May be worth checking out FMS to keep an eye on this one. Just after I sent
my reply off, this came in from JTWC:
>ABPW10 PGTW 031900
>MSGID/GENADMIN/NAVPACMETOCCEN PEARL//
>SUBJ/SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL WEATHER ADVISORY FOR THE WESTERN
>PACIFIC OCEAN/031900Z/040600Z APR 01//
>RMKS//
>1. WESTERN NORTH PACIFIC AREA (180 TO MALAY PENINSULA):
> A. TROPICAL CYCLONE SUMMARY: NONE.
> B. TROPICAL DISTURBANCE SUMMARY: NONE.
>2. WESTERN SOUTH PACIFIC AREA (180 WEST TO 135 EAST):
> A. TROPICAL CYCLONE SUMMARY: NONE.
> B. TROPICAL DISTURBANCE SUMMARY:
> (1) AN AREA OF CONVECTION LOCATED NEAR 12.0S3 171.0E9 HAS
>PERSISTED FOR THE PAST 12 HOURS. UW-CIMSS ANALYSTS PRODUCT
>INDICATES THE CONVECTION IS WITHIN A WEAK VERTICAL WIND SHEAR
>ENVIRONMENT WITH DIFFLUENCE ALOFT. A RECENT QUIKSCAT PASS INDICATES
>A BROAD LOW LEVEL CIRCULATION CENTER ASSOCIATED WITH THE CONVECTION.
>MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE ESTIMATED AT 15 TO 20 KNOTS. MINIMUM SEA
>LEVEL PRESSURE IS ESTIMATED TO BE 1006 MB. THE POTENTIAL FOR THE
>DEVELOPMENT OF A SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL CYCLONE WITHIN THE NEXT 24
>HOURS IS POOR.
> (2) NO OTHER SUSPECT AREAS.
>3. JUSTIFICATION: ADDITION OF POOR SUSPECT AREA TO PARA 2.B.
>FORECAST TEAM: MAZANY/MORRIS/EDBERG//
Regards,
Carl.
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Subject: aus-wx: Narromine Storms
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Reports coming in from severe lightning activity around Narromine and
Tommingley areas.. Several outages
reported..
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From: David Jones
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Subject: aus-wx: freak..
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 08:42:31 +1000
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From: Mark Hardy
Subject: Re: aus-wx: warnings and media
>The Bureau is upset at the term "freak storm" from a meteorological
>perspective? But from the public perspective describing them as freak is
>perfectly reasonable. To the residents of Maroubra this storm was most
>likely a very rare event. I don't think it's reasonable for the media to
>have an understanding of the broadscale frequency of these storms.
>
>In talking to the local residents the radio stations would have heard from
>many people that they had never seen a storm like it. Therefore to the
>public in Maroubra it is a freak event. End of story. No point getting
>worked up about it.
>
>Steve Symonds is a usually a good commentator but a tornado in
>Wentworthville is of no consolation to the folks putting their lives back
>together in Maroubra.
>
>The Bureau need to understand that the media reports the news from the
>people's perspective. In order to be on the same wavelength the Bureau
>should also be commenting on these events from the public perspective as
>well. While the Bureau continue to position severe events in a strictly
>meteorological manner there will continue to be a communication gulf
between
>the Bureau and the media/public.
>
>Mark
Surely Mark this is all a matter of perspective. What is unusual at a point
will be far from unusual across an area, and this is the point that is
trying to be made. Storms like these are very frequent in NSW and to claim
that they are somehow freak's can give the public the false impression that
these are a meteorological rarity. People should be prepared for storms of
this type, and to claim that they are somehow freakish allows a disowning of
the responsibility for preparedness. If we follow your logic, we would call
a category 4 cyclone passing over the city of Broome a freak cyclone, purely
because such an event probably only occurs once in an average life time,
when no one on this list would classify a category 4 cyclone as a freak.
I believe the public is more intelligent than you give credit...
BTW this is nothing personal. I just believe we have a collective
responsibility to educate on such matters, rather than point fingers.
Cheers,
David.
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Matt, and others,
Channel Nine reported and showed a large wooden post (like, a 4x2 that
was 10 ft long) that had been speard through a window. This is usually a
pretty good sign that there was some sort of spin-up, maybe a brief
invisible extension of one of the funnels around to the ground!
Andrew.
Matt Smith wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Thanks ! certainly didnt expect these kind words from people.
>
> Commended? Hah that will never happen... I dont think anyone really cares in
> the real world besides the group here... which is all that counts.. I enjoy
> it, the adventure, the uncertanty, not knowing what you will see or what might
> happen.. If you can get out there and take some chances, it can pay off.
> We did not get a storm here at home that day, drive 15km or so and its amazing
> what you can see :)
>
> With regards to the damage...it seemed very confined to a corragated iron roof
> on the surf club, which blew off and debri from that caused other damage to
> shop windows etc. I would rule out a tornado almost... the thing that gets me
> is that, that area would often cop 50knot+ winds with strong fronts etc, so
> why did the roof rip off this time? Maybe it just weakened over time...
> Should have sold a few seconds of the video footage to a TV station.... The
> sound of the flanger is awesome with the hail hitting the car. (no video of
> the funnel) Didnt think of it until later that night though :(
> You'll see these photos and video soon clyve :)
> Ok im babbliny now. Off to bed, i have an early start. Will keep an eye out
> tomorrow after todays activity along the trough line, I would deffinatly
> expect more action.
>
> Matt Smith
>
> clyve herbert wrote:
>
> > Hi Matt.
> > Your report and photos of the storms near to the east coast and Sydney
> > should be commended, an excellent report congratulations.regards Clyve
> > Herbert. ASWA Victoria.
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From: "clyve herbert"
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Subject: aus-wx: Two potential sites!
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 22:32:52 +1000
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Hi all.
There are two potential locations for interesting tropical developments
tonight,the Gulf of Carpentry has a persistent region of convergence worth a
continued check on there is some outflow over this region too,also a large
and persistent region of convection is located north of Fiji this region
also shows potential for development over the next 24 hours.regards Clyve
Herbert.
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From: "clyve herbert"
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: Suction vortices/spots
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 23:35:38 +1000
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Hi Robert.
In respect to the use of the word periphery,this is the outer edge of the
main circulation and extending outwards to cover the inflow region (could we
call it the "event region"),I strongly suspect some odd goings on within the
central core of the main vortex,it is here that I believe gravity waves may
be generated, i.e. there main be a return force generated from the affect of
the inflow and compression around the main vortex if we look at the main
vortex region which is roughly circular there is a force acting upon the
periphery from the inflow occurring at all sides, this in some respects is a
balancing feature and may have something to do with the size of the central
core and may be relative to the extent of the inflow the force acting on
all sides of the central core actually may result in a rebound force moving
outwards from the main central vortex. regards Clyve Herbert,difficult to
put this concept into words at this stage .
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From: Robert Goler
To:
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: Suction vortices/spots
>
> Hi Kevin/Clyve/all
>
> Now, I must admit as to not being well versed in historical tornado
> occurrences in the US (or anywhere for that matter :-P), so I tried
> looking these events up, with the aim of finding pictures of what you
> tried to describe. Unfortunately, I couldn't find any obvious examples,
> so apologies if I misinterpret your question.
>
> > When you say periphery do you mean internal or external to the main
tornado?
>
> My immediate thought about this was that the internal and external suction
> vortices are the same thing. The 'internal' vortices are such that they
> are hidden because of the condensation in the region which blocks them
> from view. Dare I say that in weaker events where the central pressure
> isn't as low, then the warming and drying associated with the downdraft
> may be more conducive to produce more visible suction vortices, and so
> make them appear to be external.
>
> In my web searches I came across the following website:
> http://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/d5vbcs/outbreak65.html
> which has some photos of the Palm Sunday 1965 event, and shows twin
> tornadoes:
> http://members.nbci.com/d5vbcs/palmsunday/goshen4.gif
>
> Now, I'm not sure if this is what you're referring to about the external
> vortices, perhaps this may be too extreme an example. But in this case,
> apparently this was the merger of two tornadoes. Perhaps things may(?) be
> clearer once you read the answer to your second question.
>
> > (question 2 I guess) are clusters of rotating vortices
> > considered one tornado or separate?
>
> I'm no expert here, but I'm guessing that you would probably judge a
> tornado by its parent circulation. So if you see vortices orbiting around
> a common centre, then you would define the centre as the tornado.
> However, if these vortices are moving independent of each other, than they
> would be classified as distinct tornadoes.
>
>
> On Sat, 31 Mar 2001, clyve herbert wrote:
>
> > i.e can an equation be established from the speed of the rotation above
> > the friction boundary layer and then the retardation from this point to
> > the surface of the earth,the resultant and at times severe suction
> > spots/vortices may exhibit speeds briefly close to the non frictional
> > speed of the main tornado?!!.It is well known from photographic analysis
> > that these secondary vortices can produce much stronger gusts and damage
> > than the mean frictionally retarded tornadatic circulation.
>
> All I can say here is that before any downdraft within the tornado takes
> place, the vertical vorticity is distributed across the whole diameter of
> the tornado. As the downdraft descends, this vertical vorticity gets
> concentrated in a thinner annulus around this downdraft, and hence would
> result in increased wind speeds. With instabilities forming on this
> annulus to form the suction vortices, they would rotate at some speed
> around the central tornado while this tornado is translating at some other
> speed. Add all these velocity components together (speed due to
> concentrated vert. vorticity + speed of rotation of instabilities +
> tornado speed), and you would come up with some fairly big speeds.
>
> Obviously though, friction plays a big role and I'd imagine that most, if
> not all F5 occurrences have been over flat countryside as opposed to
> forested or very hilly/mountainous terrain.
>
>
> One final thing, _I am by no means an expert here_, and all of what I've
> mentioned so far has been from what I have read over the past week and
> what I think. So feel free to criticise or add to anything that has been
> said here.
>
>
> Cheers
>
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>
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>
> E-mail robert at mail.maths.monash.edu.au
> http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/
>
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> Clayton, Vic 3800
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Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 13:42:44 +0930
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IDDP0002 BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
Northern Territory Region Darwin Regional Forecasting Centre
PRIORITY TROPICAL CYCLONE WATCH TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 1
Issued by the BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY, DARWIN at 11:36 am CST Wednesday 4
April 2001
A CYCLONE WATCH has been declared for coastal and island communities from
CROKER ISLAND to CAPE SHIELD.
At 11 am CST a TROPICAL LOW was centred in the Arafura Sea about 140
kilometres north of NHULUNBUY and nearly stationary. The low is expected to
move slowly westward during the next couple of days. There is the
possibility of a cyclone developing but GALES are not expected in coastal
areas within the next 24 hours, however gales could develop later.
Details of TROPICAL LOW at 11 am CST: .
Centre located near...... 11 degrees South 137 degrees East . Location
accuracy........ within 45 kilometres .
Recent movement.......... nearly stationary .
Wind gusts near centre... 90 kilometres per hour .
Central pressure......... 1004 hectoPascals
People from CROKER ISLAND to CAPE SHIELD should listen for the next advice
which will be issued at 5 pm CST. This advice is available on telephone 1300
659 211. DARWIN Tropical Cyclone Warning Centre
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Hi All.
The email below came in so thought I would pass it on.
Regards,
Carl.
> Hi Julian,
>
> Thanks for digging up all the interesting data on the latest TC quiet
> spell that has now been broken by a sudden burst of activity. I wonder
> what kind of thing can supress global TC activity for three weeks, and
> then let it burst out all over?
>
> Now the whole SH from equatorial Africa across the SIO (See attached
> image at 22 UTC 03 April), all the way past the date line into the central
> SPAC has popped a few TCs or is set to do so. There are three TCs
> in the SIO, a TC brewing NW of the GUlf of Carpentaria, and another west
> of Fiji. Even a monsoon depression over the Congo and Angola could drift
> west and become a rare S. Atlantic TD. One fascinating aspect of all of
> this is that NONE of it maps onto the MJO mode (see MJO loop at
> www.cdc.noaa.gov/map/clim/olr_modes/mapanim2.html.)
>
>
> Best regards, Mark Lander
>
>
> On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, Heming, Julian wrote:
>
> > Mark,
> >
> > It has indeed been a quiet season and a quiet recent spell. Perth TCWC has
> > just started issuing warnings for TS Walter (south of Java). This ends a
> > 20-day spell without a TC world-wide. Looking back at records since 1990,
> > there has only been one other 20-day period of no activity (in May 1995).
> > Also, according to JTWC statistics, it will be the quietest southern
> > hemisphere season since 1954 unless there are at least 6 more TCs
>before the
> > season ends.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Julian
> >
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Hi All.
TC Walter now severe Cat 3.
BoM TCA#13 and JTWC#3 pasted below - if anyone has BoM TCA#12, please send
it to me.
Regards,
Carl.
>IDW24400
>BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
>WESTERN AUSTRALIAN REGIONAL OFFICE
>
>Media: The Emergency Warning Signal should be used with this warning.
>
>PRIORITY
>
>TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 13
>Issued at 9:55 am WST on Wednesday, 4 April 2001
>BY THE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
>TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING CENTRE PERTH
>
>A WARNING for a severe category 3 tropical cyclone is now current for Cocos
>Island.
>
>At 9am WST Severe Tropical Cyclone Walter was estimated to be
> 470 kilometres eastnortheast of Cocos Island and
>moving west at 16 kilometres per hour.
>
>Gales are not expected at Cocos Island today, but are likely to develop on
>Thursday as the cyclone takes a more southwesterly track and approaches the
>Island.
>
>Details of Severe Tropical Cyclone Walter at 9am WST.
>
> Location of centre : within 40 kilometres of
> Latitude 10.1 South Longitude 100.6 East.
> Recent movement : West at 16 kilometres per hour.
> Central Pressure : 960 hPa.
> Maximum wind gusts : 190 kilometres per hour near the centre.
> Severity category : 3.
>
>This advice is available by dialling 1300 659 210
>The next advice will be issued at 1pm WST.
>
>WTXS32 PGTW 040300
>IMMEDIATE DELIVERY REQ TO AMEMBASSY PORT LOUIS
>1. TROPICAL CYCLONE 17S (WALTER) WARNING NR 003
> 03 ACTIVE TROPICAL CYCLONES IN SOUTHERN HEMISPHERE
> MAX SUSTAINED WINDS BASED ON ONE-MINUTE AVERAGE
> ---
> WARNING POSITION:
> 040000Z4 --- NEAR 10.1S2 100.6E7
> MOVEMENT PAST SIX HOURS - 270 DEGREES AT 10 KTS
> POSITION ACCURATE TO WITHIN 060 NM
> POSITION BASED ON CENTER LOCATED BY SATELLITE
> PRESENT WIND DISTRIBUTION:
> MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 065 KT, GUSTS 080 KT
> RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 030 NM
> RADIUS OF 035 KT WINDS - 080 NM SOUTH SEMICIRCLE
> 065 NM ELSEWHERE
> REPEAT POSIT: 10.1S2 100.6E7
> ---
> FORECASTS:
> 12 HRS, VALID AT:
> 041200Z7 --- 10.4S5 98.5E2
> MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 065 KT, GUSTS 080 KT
> RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 045 NM SOUTH SEMICIRCLE
> 035 NM ELSEWHERE
> RADIUS OF 035 KT WINDS - 095 NM SOUTH SEMICIRCLE
> 070 NM ELSEWHERE
> VECTOR TO 24 HR POSIT: 250 DEG/ 10 KTS
> ---
> 24 HRS, VALID AT:
> 050000Z5 --- 11.1S3 96.7E2
> MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 075 KT, GUSTS 090 KT
> RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 055 NM SOUTH SEMICIRCLE
> 040 NM ELSEWHERE
> RADIUS OF 035 KT WINDS - 110 NM SOUTH SEMICIRCLE
> 090 NM ELSEWHERE
> VECTOR TO 36 HR POSIT: 235 DEG/ 10 KTS
> ---
> 36 HRS, VALID AT:
> 051200Z8 --- 12.3S6 95.0E4
> MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 085 KT, GUSTS 105 KT
> RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 070 NM SOUTHEAST SEMICIRCLE
> 055 NM ELSEWHERE
> RADIUS OF 035 KT WINDS - 130 NM SOUTHEAST SEMICIRCLE
> 110 NM ELSEWHERE
> VECTOR TO 48 HR POSIT: 210 DEG/ 10 KTS
> ---
> EXTENDED OUTLOOK:
> 48 HRS, VALID AT:
> 060000Z6 --- 14.1S6 93.9E1
> MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 095 KT, GUSTS 115 KT
> RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 080 NM SOUTHEAST SEMICIRCLE
> 060 NM ELSEWHERE
> RADIUS OF 035 KT WINDS - 155 NM SOUTHEAST SEMICIRCLE
> 125 NM ELSEWHERE
> ---
>REMARKS:
>040300Z7 POSITION NEAR 10.2S3 100.1E2.
>TROPICAL CYCLONE 17S (WALTER) HAS TRACKED WESTWARD AT 10 KNOTS OVER
>THE PAST 6 HOURS AND IS APPROXIMATELY 250 NM EAST-NORTHEAST OF
>COCOS ISALND. THE WARNING POSITION IS BASED ON 032330Z1 INFRARED
>SATELLITE IMAGERY. THE WARNING INTENSITY IS BASED ON SATELLITE
>CURRENT INTENSITY ESTIMATES OF 55 AND 77 KNOTS. ANIMATED INFRARED
>SATELLITE IMAGERY INDICATE BANDING FEATURES AROUND THE LOW-LEVEL
>CIRCULATION CENTER (LLCC). A 032049Z8 MICROWAVE PASS DEPICTS AN 11
>NM EYE. THE 200 MB ANALYSIS INDICATES GOOD OUTFLOW ALOFT AND AN
>UPPER-LEVEL RIDGE EXTENDING OVER THE LLCC. TROPICAL CYCLONE (TC) 17S
>IS EXPECTED TO TRACK IN A WESTERLY DIRECTION THROUGH THE 24 HOUR
>PERIOD THEN TRACK INCREASINGLY SOUTHWESTWARD TOWARD A WEAKNESS IN
>THE MID-LEVEL RIDGE BY THE END OF THE FORECAST PERIOD. TC 17S WILL
>CONTINUE INTENSIFYING AT A CLIMATOLOGICAL RATE THROUGH THE FORECAST
>PERIOD. MAXIMUM SIGNIFICANT WAVE HEIGHT AT 040000Z4 IS 16 FEET. NEXT
>WARNINGS AT 041500Z0 AND 050300Z8. REFER TO TROPICAL CYCLONE 16S
>(NONAME) WARNINGS (WTXS32 PGTW) FOR TWELVE-HOURLY UPDATES. REFER TO
>TROPICAL CYCLONE 18S (NONAME) WARNINGS (WTXS33 PGTW) FOR TWELVE-
>HOURLY UPDATES.//
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Hi Avo,
Lightning seems to seek out the best path to ground, not necessarilly the
highest point unless that corresponds to the best path. While motoring
along the Newcastle expressway late one afternoon, I saw a close lightning
bolt hit an iron fence post in the bottom of a little gully, and at the time
I wondered why it picked the gully as the strike point was much lower than
trees on the ridges either side. The answer is that the fence post in the
gully presented a better path to ground possibly due to moist earth in the
gully (and didn't it glow red nicely for a short period after the strike).
Similarly, I have a deep gully immediately behind my house and I have had a
Brush box in this gully shattered by lightning while much taller Spotted
gums on the ridge around the house were untouched. The shatter point was
only 3m above ground, indicating that this is probably where the bolt
entered the tree.
John.
>snip
...
As a matter of interest, I live 5 houses away from an extremely large tree
(we are talking the mother of all trees in Willoughby) and for the 28 years
I have been around, I can not remember it ever being struck by lightning. It
is most definitely the tallest object around for at least 4 or 5 kays (then
you got the towers for Channels 2,7,9,10... you name it... RF HELL!). In
fact, if memory serves me right, my neighbours TV antenna got a direct hit
once many moons ago (did some wonderfull stuff to it and the connected TV)
but the tree got nuffin'. Interesting.........
Avo Ohanian
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> Lightning seems to seek out the best path to ground, not
> necessarilly the
> highest point unless that corresponds to the best path.
> While motoring
Hmmmmm that is a good point. On hindsight it is highly probable that the
resistance of the tree (a heap of a bark - no matter how wet - can not be
too good for electrical conductivity) is quite large. Perhaps a taller,
thicker rooted tree has LESS probability of being struck than a smaller
thinner one.
Thanks John, you got me thinking :-)
Avo Ohanian
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Carl and others
It is quite unusual to see such an elongated flare
up - a bit discontinuous, but impressive none the less.
I note Seychelles Met has not named its two low
pressure areas yet (but their site tends to be a bit slow and in French).
Interestingly they plot the two tropical depressions as moving toward one
another.If this continues to be the case, I would expect the westerly system to
develop and the easterly system to tend toward
a merge). PS - love all those new
French TC names - so bring them on.
Also the Fiji Met office is keeping development
potential of that low now north of Vanuatu as low, which surprises me as all
looks good to me. Could this be a TC by tomorrow - I think yes -
maybe?
Of more particular interest is that pesky little
disturbance that popped up around the Gulf/tip of QLD. Advisories have begun on
this one. And !!! Walter continuing to strengthen and moving close to Xmas
Island.
Interesting day ahead tomorrow I think for us TC
fans.
Regards
Simon
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Calling on all upper air experts out
there.
What chances of a favourable track for that
disturbance north of Vanuatu toward Qld over the next three to five days ? I
know it is very early days yet.
Looks pretty poor at present from the Sat Pics and
even the surface chart tends to suggest a recurvature toward NZ, but I am an
absolute beginner in this 'upper' area of meteorology at present.
So your help is required.
Thanks
Simon
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Hey everyone!
During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised
by Nick Sykes on the best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very
complex question, so i thought, what better place to ask that question
than in the aussie weather forum.
So we can outline the specifics, we are talking
year round weather. Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow,
sleet, tropical storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see
Magnolia?).
So plead your case, and after the talking has died
down, we will tally the votes and we will find out what you think
is the best weather town of Australia ?
This should be interesting.
dann
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Dorrigo region....
NSW smashing hail, heavy rain hot spot and within access to the Northern
Tablelands and snow and of course a nice rain forest area.
So there goes
Jimmy Deguara
At 06:10 PM 4/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
>Hey everyone!
>
>During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on the
>best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex
>question, so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in the
>aussie weather forum.
>
>So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather.
>Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical
>storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see Magnolia?).
>
>So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will tally the
>votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town of
>Australia ?
>
>This should be interesting.
>
>dann
>__________________________
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>Blaxland, NSW
>weatherhead at ozemail.com.au
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>www.sydneystormchasers.com
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Well, I would have to say
the southern darling downs, smashing views, nice ranges (formation) and plains
(CHASE), good TS, road network is good, well, what can i say, i might be
biased, but I reckon Warwick is a great place to live. Central to everything but
Tropical Cyclones, and also, snow is relatively close, within 100
km's
Here's my vote
Adam Cole
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I'm not sure you'll get a perfect town, but a region may be easier. BoM
weather districts are too large and geographically diverse, but smaller
areas could come up trumps. For example, coastal towns may get the huge
rainfall and moderating effect of the seabreeze, and only a short distance
inland get much better thunderstorms and the extremes of hot and cold.
It also depends on what you classify as "best" weather. For a lot of us on
this list it means interesting and extreme or severe weather, but for some
it will mean perfect days for outdoor activities and sport or just comfortable.
For my definition of "best", I would nominate the Ballina - Lismore -
Casino area on the North Coast of NSW, or for a town just Lismore (note
that I live at McLeans Ridges, a rural locality not a town about 10km ENE
from the centre of Lismore.
Reasons:
- extreme rainfall (> 200mm/day) events possible at any time of year
- accessible short duration flooding, including town centre inundations
- conformable temperatures most of the year, only a few days become like
Darwin build up, and only some very cold days
- plenty of thunderstorms, average of about 40 per year with a good
percentage of supercells
- a good selection of roads that are cleared of trees for regional storm
chasing
- large hail likely each season
- violent winds likely each season
- shelf clouds very common
- hail drifts possible each season
- tornadoes possible each season
- flash floods possible each season
- plenty of great vantage points to enjoy lightning
- coastal cold air CBs enhanced by warm ocean currents
- does get cold fronts
- prone to trough activity including from tropical origins
- beautiful valley fog many nights / mornings of the year
- prone to East Coast Lows
- prone to Coral Sea Lows, ex TCs and full blown sub-tropical TCs !
- blocking Southern Tasman Sea highs can give days and weeks of mod-heavy
shower activity
- blocking Central Tasman Sea highs can give days and weeks of warn and
fine days
- Southern Ocean fronts can give weeks of fine sunny days with the odd W gales
Some disadvantages:
- lacks vigorous cold frontal activity
- can get a bit hot and sticky
- never snows
- rarely gets extremes of heat or cold
- showery weather can hang around for weeks
- fine weather can hang around for weeks
- nearby mountains with no roads can stuff up storm chases
A bit long this email, but I guess we have to prove why the location is the
best !
regards, Michael
At 18:10 04/04/2001 +1000, you wrote:
>Hey everyone!
>
>During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on the
>best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex
>question, so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in the
>aussie weather forum.
>
>So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather.
>Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical
>storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see Magnolia?).
>
>So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will tally the
>votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town of
>Australia ?
>
>This should be interesting.
>
>dann
>__________________________
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>Blaxland, NSW
>weatherhead at ozemail.com.au
>SYDNEY STORM CHASERS
>www.sydneystormchasers.com
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Thanks Carl, we appreciate you passing it on.
The depression over the Congo/Angola certainly has my interest.
Michael
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Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2001 14:25
Subject: aus-wx: Fw: Pan-tropical explosion
> Hi All.
>
> The email below came in so thought I would pass it on.
>
> Regards,
> Carl.
>
> > Hi Julian,
> >
> > Thanks for digging up all the interesting data on the latest TC
quiet
> > spell that has now been broken by a sudden burst of activity. I wonder
> > what kind of thing can supress global TC activity for three weeks, and
> > then let it burst out all over?
> >
> > Now the whole SH from equatorial Africa across the SIO (See attached
> > image at 22 UTC 03 April), all the way past the date line into the
central
> > SPAC has popped a few TCs or is set to do so. There are three TCs
> > in the SIO, a TC brewing NW of the GUlf of Carpentaria, and another west
> > of Fiji. Even a monsoon depression over the Congo and Angola could
drift
> > west and become a rare S. Atlantic TD. One fascinating aspect of all of
> > this is that NONE of it maps onto the MJO mode (see MJO loop at
> > www.cdc.noaa.gov/map/clim/olr_modes/mapanim2.html.)
> >
> >
> > Best regards, Mark Lander
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, Heming, Julian wrote:
> >
> > > Mark,
> > >
> > > It has indeed been a quiet season and a quiet recent spell. Perth TCWC
has
> > > just started issuing warnings for TS Walter (south of Java). This ends
a
> > > 20-day spell without a TC world-wide. Looking back at records since
1990,
> > > there has only been one other 20-day period of no activity (in May
1995).
> > > Also, according to JTWC statistics, it will be the quietest southern
> > > hemisphere season since 1954 unless there are at least 6 more TCs
> >before the
> > > season ends.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Julian
> > >
>
>
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My vote is close to Jimmy also. I would actually choose Glen
Innes. I would lose about 2/3 of Dorrigo's rainfall but probably pick up a
higher rate of severe storms ( I think that the Dorrigo area often goes off
too early ). There is also the chance of winter snow, not to mention
frosts by the dozen. Glen Innes is a safe looking town, large enough to
have amenities, but still small enough to be friendly. From Glen Innes you could
strike out west to Inverell quickly, to the Darling downs in 2 hours or to
Grafton in 2 hours. An alternative would be Stanthorpe in
Queensland.
If higher rainfall and a warmer climate were your priorities
my second vote would to Maleny just west of the sunshine coast and
Nambour, on a plateau overlooking the Glasshouse Mountains. High rainfall
measured in metres, and within 1 hour chasing distance of some of
Australia's tornado hotspots such as Gympie.
Michael
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Hey everyone!
During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised
by Nick Sykes on the best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very
complex question, so i thought, what better place to ask that question
than in the aussie weather forum.
So we can outline the specifics, we are talking
year round weather. Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow,
sleet, tropical storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone
see Magnolia?).
So plead your case, and after the talking has
died down, we will tally the votes and we will find out what
you think is the best weather town of Australia ?
This should be interesting.
dann
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Well, it has to be Blackheath, Blue Mountains, NSW! It's one of the
reasons I chose to live here.
1. Five to 10 days of snow each winter, sometimes enough to close the
highway, very occasionally enough to isolate the town for a few days
2. Frosts in winter, occasional blazing norwesters in summer, complete
with bushfires
3. Westerly gales for days from August to October guaranteed to send
you scurrying home to the fireside while avoiding falling trees
4. Pea-soup fogs rolling in on the seabreeze front and every
southeasterly change
5. Breeding ground for lots of storms we later export, secondhand, in
the direction of Sydney
6. Days of heavy rain when ECLs or troughs bring the wind in from the
ESE to ENE (though it must be said a lack of flash flooding, as we're
on a ridge top)
7. Days of heavy rain from inland systems moving coastwards, including
recurving ex-TCs
8. Independent validation of our foul weather by vandals that persist
in changing our station nameboards from BLACKHEATH to LACKHEAT or
BLEAKHEATH.
No falling frogs or fish yet, but we're working on it.
That said, we have some really nice days too, along with four
full-blooded seasons and weather best summed up in the words of Mark
Twain's description of New England (USA) -- "If you don't like the
weather, wait five minutes."
Laurier
(who's hoping Lindsay will second the nomination)
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:10:14 +1000, "dann weatherhead"
wrote:
>Hey everyone!
>
>During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on the best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex question, so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in the aussie weather forum.
>
>So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather. Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see Magnolia?).
>
>So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will tally the votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town of Australia ?
>
>This should be interesting.
>
>dann
>__________________________
>Daniel Weatherhead
>Blaxland, NSW
>weatherhead at ozemail.com.au
>SYDNEY STORM CHASERS
>www.sydneystormchasers.com
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From: "Joy Farnan"
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Hi all,
I think the perfect place to live would be
"GOSFORD"
Stayed there for a week lots of years ago and
decided that this would be a nice place to retire to (eventually)
Nice weather (like warm) beach for swimming,
sailing, inland walks, the lot....
Joy
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Well, I would have to say
the southern darling downs, smashing views, nice ranges (formation) and plains
(CHASE), good TS, road network is good, well, what can i say, i might be
biased, but I reckon Warwick is a great place to live. Central to everything
but Tropical Cyclones, and also, snow is relatively close, within 100
km's
Here's my vote
Adam Cole
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Yeah, I will second that Laurier. Actually i think the Katoomba-Lithgow area
is pretty damn great place to be for all round year action.
dann
> Well, it has to be Blackheath, Blue Mountains, NSW! It's one of the
> reasons I chose to live here.
>
> 1. Five to 10 days of snow each winter, sometimes enough to close the
> highway, very occasionally enough to isolate the town for a few days
>
> 2. Frosts in winter, occasional blazing norwesters in summer, complete
> with bushfires
>
> 3. Westerly gales for days from August to October guaranteed to send
> you scurrying home to the fireside while avoiding falling trees
>
> 4. Pea-soup fogs rolling in on the seabreeze front and every
> southeasterly change
>
> 5. Breeding ground for lots of storms we later export, secondhand, in
> the direction of Sydney
>
> 6. Days of heavy rain when ECLs or troughs bring the wind in from the
> ESE to ENE (though it must be said a lack of flash flooding, as we're
> on a ridge top)
>
> 7. Days of heavy rain from inland systems moving coastwards, including
> recurving ex-TCs
>
> 8. Independent validation of our foul weather by vandals that persist
> in changing our station nameboards from BLACKHEATH to LACKHEAT or
> BLEAKHEATH.
>
> No falling frogs or fish yet, but we're working on it.
>
> That said, we have some really nice days too, along with four
> full-blooded seasons and weather best summed up in the words of Mark
> Twain's description of New England (USA) -- "If you don't like the
> weather, wait five minutes."
>
> Laurier
> (who's hoping Lindsay will second the nomination)
>
> On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:10:14 +1000, "dann weatherhead"
> wrote:
>
> >Hey everyone!
> >
> >During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on the
best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex question,
so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in the aussie
weather forum.
> >
> >So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather.
Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical
storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see Magnolia?).
> >
> >So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will tally
the votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town of
Australia ?
> >
> >This should be interesting.
> >
> >dann
> >__________________________
> >Daniel Weatherhead
> >Blaxland, NSW
> >weatherhead at ozemail.com.au
> >SYDNEY STORM CHASERS
> >www.sydneystormchasers.com
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From: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au (Tony Langdon)
Date: 03 Apr 01 23:29:52 +1000
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Aurora Australis
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Hello steve!
03 Apr 01 19:49, you wrote to All:
sb> here. Although not as spectacular as the AA I viewed last time, it
sb> made the viewing something worthwhile as there hasn't been much
sb> weather to watch of late. Any observations from Australia?
Stuck my head outside a couple of times but missed it. Light pollution here in
Melbourne doesn't help either. :-(
Unlike the 1989 aurora, which I saw from a clear location in country Victoria
Tony, VK3JED
.. ws the hell out of me!
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All of this is obviously true for Taralga as well! But, Taralga is
closer to the top of the Great Dividing Range (about 10-15 kMs west of
here), so it's easy to find completely different weather just over the
hill - whether it be more snow or clear skied easterlies rather than
"Bannaby Mist" easterlies.
There are a mint of stories around here from weather events of the past.
Blizzards, tornadoes, snow in December, squalls, gales, rain...surely
more of one or the other will come soon!
All good!
Andrew.
Laurier Williams wrote:
>
> Well, it has to be Blackheath, Blue Mountains, NSW! It's one of the
> reasons I chose to live here.
>
> 1. Five to 10 days of snow each winter, sometimes enough to close the
> highway, very occasionally enough to isolate the town for a few days
>
> 2. Frosts in winter, occasional blazing norwesters in summer, complete
> with bushfires
>
> 3. Westerly gales for days from August to October guaranteed to send
> you scurrying home to the fireside while avoiding falling trees
>
> 4. Pea-soup fogs rolling in on the seabreeze front and every
> southeasterly change
>
> 5. Breeding ground for lots of storms we later export, secondhand, in
> the direction of Sydney
>
> 6. Days of heavy rain when ECLs or troughs bring the wind in from the
> ESE to ENE (though it must be said a lack of flash flooding, as we're
> on a ridge top)
>
> 7. Days of heavy rain from inland systems moving coastwards, including
> recurving ex-TCs
>
> 8. Independent validation of our foul weather by vandals that persist
> in changing our station nameboards from BLACKHEATH to LACKHEAT or
> BLEAKHEATH.
>
> No falling frogs or fish yet, but we're working on it.
>
> That said, we have some really nice days too, along with four
> full-blooded seasons and weather best summed up in the words of Mark
> Twain's description of New England (USA) -- "If you don't like the
> weather, wait five minutes."
>
> Laurier
> (who's hoping Lindsay will second the nomination)
>
> On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:10:14 +1000, "dann weatherhead"
> wrote:
>
> >Hey everyone!
> >
> >During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on the best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex question, so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in the aussie weather forum.
> >
> >So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather. Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see Magnolia?).
> >
> >So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will tally the votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town of Australia ?
> >
> >This should be interesting.
> >
> >dann
> >__________________________
> >Daniel Weatherhead
> >Blaxland, NSW
> >weatherhead at ozemail.com.au
> >SYDNEY STORM CHASERS
> >www.sydneystormchasers.com
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I vote for anywhere in Australia! Just from the messages that we see on
this list, most areas get interesting weather at some time during the year.
For me personally, as I get older I would like to move further north from
western Sydney as I seem to be getting less tolerant of the freezing winter
mornings. Michael Thompson's suggestion of Maleny would suit me, probably
when I get closer to retiring.
One town that has not been mentioned yet is Tenterfield in northern NSW. By
my criteria, it would not pass for winter...too cold and crisp, although it
would be nice to visit when it is snowing. I just felt when we visited
there during TDU2001, that it seemed to be a nice safe town but also a good
location to start chasing in any direction around northern NSW and SE
Queensland during summer.
Sigh!...looks like I'll need two houses in my old age...summer in
Tenterfield, winter on the Sunshine Coast...
Geoff Thurtell
At 06:10 PM 4/04/01 +1000, dann weatherhead wrote:
>Hey everyone!
>
>During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on the
>best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex
>question, so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in the
>aussie weather forum.
>
>So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather.
>Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical
>storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see Magnolia?).
>
>So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will tally the
>votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town of
>Australia ?
>
>This should be interesting.
>
>dann
>__________________________
>Daniel Weatherhead
>Blaxland, NSW
>weatherhead at ozemail.com.au
>SYDNEY STORM CHASERS
>www.sydneystormchasers.com
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Sorry, meant TDU2000 below!
Geoff
>Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 21:48:18 +1000
>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>From: Geoff Thurtell
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live
>
>I vote for anywhere in Australia! Just from the messages that we see on
>this list, most areas get interesting weather at some time during the year.
>
>For me personally, as I get older I would like to move further north from
>western Sydney as I seem to be getting less tolerant of the freezing
>winter mornings. Michael Thompson's suggestion of Maleny would suit me,
>probably when I get closer to retiring.
>
>One town that has not been mentioned yet is Tenterfield in northern NSW.
>By my criteria, it would not pass for winter...too cold and crisp,
>although it would be nice to visit when it is snowing. I just felt when we
>visited there during TDU2001, that it seemed to be a nice safe town but
>also a good location to start chasing in any direction around northern NSW
>and SE Queensland during summer.
>
>Sigh!...looks like I'll need two houses in my old age...summer in
>Tenterfield, winter on the Sunshine Coast...
>
>Geoff Thurtell
>At 06:10 PM 4/04/01 +1000, dann weatherhead wrote:
>>Hey everyone!
>>
>>During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on the
>>best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex
>>question, so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in
>>the aussie weather forum.
>>
>>So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather.
>>Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical
>>storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see Magnolia?).
>>
>>So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will tally
>>the votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town of
>>Australia ?
>>
>>This should be interesting.
>>
>>dann
>>__________________________
>>Daniel Weatherhead
>>Blaxland, NSW
>>weatherhead at ozemail.com.au
>>SYDNEY STORM CHASERS
>>www.sydneystormchasers.com
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This is really hard....
Id have to go the general Grafton area i think with roads to shoot up further
into NE NSW.
Lots of severe storms and rain events, with floods as well, and a nice drive
towards Dorrigo and the northern tablelands for snow events.
Lots and lots of close seconds....bathurst, bowral, lower hunter, glen innes, SE
QLD.. could go on and on.
Matt Smith
dann weatherhead wrote:
> Yeah, I will second that Laurier. Actually i think the Katoomba-Lithgow area
> is pretty damn great place to be for all round year action.
>
> dann
>
> > Well, it has to be Blackheath, Blue Mountains, NSW! It's one of the
> > reasons I chose to live here.
> >
> > 1. Five to 10 days of snow each winter, sometimes enough to close the
> > highway, very occasionally enough to isolate the town for a few days
> >
> > 2. Frosts in winter, occasional blazing norwesters in summer, complete
> > with bushfires
> >
> > 3. Westerly gales for days from August to October guaranteed to send
> > you scurrying home to the fireside while avoiding falling trees
> >
> > 4. Pea-soup fogs rolling in on the seabreeze front and every
> > southeasterly change
> >
> > 5. Breeding ground for lots of storms we later export, secondhand, in
> > the direction of Sydney
> >
> > 6. Days of heavy rain when ECLs or troughs bring the wind in from the
> > ESE to ENE (though it must be said a lack of flash flooding, as we're
> > on a ridge top)
> >
> > 7. Days of heavy rain from inland systems moving coastwards, including
> > recurving ex-TCs
> >
> > 8. Independent validation of our foul weather by vandals that persist
> > in changing our station nameboards from BLACKHEATH to LACKHEAT or
> > BLEAKHEATH.
> >
> > No falling frogs or fish yet, but we're working on it.
> >
> > That said, we have some really nice days too, along with four
> > full-blooded seasons and weather best summed up in the words of Mark
> > Twain's description of New England (USA) -- "If you don't like the
> > weather, wait five minutes."
> >
> > Laurier
> > (who's hoping Lindsay will second the nomination)
> >
> > On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:10:14 +1000, "dann weatherhead"
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Hey everyone!
> > >
> > >During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on the
> best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex question,
> so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in the aussie
> weather forum.
> > >
> > >So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather.
> Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical
> storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see Magnolia?).
> > >
> > >So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will tally
> the votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town of
> Australia ?
> > >
> > >This should be interesting.
> > >
> > >dann
> > >__________________________
> > >Daniel Weatherhead
> > >Blaxland, NSW
> > >weatherhead at ozemail.com.au
> > >SYDNEY STORM CHASERS
> > >www.sydneystormchasers.com
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Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 22:29:30 +1000
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Hi all,
This really is a difficult question...there are so many great areas.
However, I am going to ignore political boundaries here, because I
believe that SE QLD and NE NSW have very similar weather and geography,
and are really the same weather wise. It's only split by a political
state border, weather wise it doesn't change over the area. So for
thunderstorms, I would vote for the combined area of SE QLD and NE NSW.
These are great chasing areas (as far as roads/views go), and no doubt
have the storms to match. Even on marginal days, the ranges often
assist in providing the extra lift needed to produce even just a Cb or
three to look at. Not to mention coastal shower/Cb events which always
make it interesting in the SE'ly. And even the winter SW'lies can be
fun when they rip through at gale force!
But to throw a spanner into the works...I do admit that I have a
fascination with Melbourne weather (yes, I need help...) The weather in
Melbourne/Vic is extremely dynamic - something that I find exciting!
And I think that'd it'd certainly be interesting living down there to
experience the plethora of different weather setups!
"Stratocumulus - not just a cloud, but a way of life!" :-)
AC
> dann weatherhead wrote:
>
> Hey everyone!
>
> During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on the
> best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex
> question, so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in
> the aussie weather forum.
>
> So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather.
> Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical
> storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see
> Magnolia?).
>
> So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will tally
> the votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town
> of Australia ?
>
> This should be interesting.
>
> dann
> __________________________
> Daniel Weatherhead
> Blaxland, NSW
> weatherhead at ozemail.com.au
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Dunno.................
Personally I like Darwin :)
Max
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>
> This is really hard....
>
> Id have to go the general Grafton area i think with roads to shoot up
further
> into NE NSW.
> Lots of severe storms and rain events, with floods as well, and a nice
drive
> towards Dorrigo and the northern tablelands for snow events.
>
> Lots and lots of close seconds....bathurst, bowral, lower hunter, glen
innes, SE
> QLD.. could go on and on.
>
> Matt Smith
>
> dann weatherhead wrote:
>
> > Yeah, I will second that Laurier. Actually i think the Katoomba-Lithgow
area
> > is pretty damn great place to be for all round year action.
> >
> > dann
> >
> > > Well, it has to be Blackheath, Blue Mountains, NSW! It's one of the
> > > reasons I chose to live here.
> > >
> > > 1. Five to 10 days of snow each winter, sometimes enough to close the
> > > highway, very occasionally enough to isolate the town for a few days
> > >
> > > 2. Frosts in winter, occasional blazing norwesters in summer, complete
> > > with bushfires
> > >
> > > 3. Westerly gales for days from August to October guaranteed to send
> > > you scurrying home to the fireside while avoiding falling trees
> > >
> > > 4. Pea-soup fogs rolling in on the seabreeze front and every
> > > southeasterly change
> > >
> > > 5. Breeding ground for lots of storms we later export, secondhand, in
> > > the direction of Sydney
> > >
> > > 6. Days of heavy rain when ECLs or troughs bring the wind in from the
> > > ESE to ENE (though it must be said a lack of flash flooding, as we're
> > > on a ridge top)
> > >
> > > 7. Days of heavy rain from inland systems moving coastwards, including
> > > recurving ex-TCs
> > >
> > > 8. Independent validation of our foul weather by vandals that persist
> > > in changing our station nameboards from BLACKHEATH to LACKHEAT or
> > > BLEAKHEATH.
> > >
> > > No falling frogs or fish yet, but we're working on it.
> > >
> > > That said, we have some really nice days too, along with four
> > > full-blooded seasons and weather best summed up in the words of Mark
> > > Twain's description of New England (USA) -- "If you don't like the
> > > weather, wait five minutes."
> > >
> > > Laurier
> > > (who's hoping Lindsay will second the nomination)
> > >
> > > On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:10:14 +1000, "dann weatherhead"
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >Hey everyone!
> > > >
> > > >During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on
the
> > best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex
question,
> > so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in the aussie
> > weather forum.
> > > >
> > > >So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather.
> > Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical
> > storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see Magnolia?).
> > > >
> > > >So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will
tally
> > the votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town
of
> > Australia ?
> > > >
> > > >This should be interesting.
> > > >
> > > >dann
> > > >__________________________
> > > >Daniel Weatherhead
> > > >Blaxland, NSW
> > > >weatherhead at ozemail.com.au
> > > >SYDNEY STORM CHASERS
> > > >www.sydneystormchasers.com
> > >
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It's interesting that no one is yet to mention
Victoria, South Australia, Western Australia or Northern Territory.
I think it really depends on what your personal
definition is. If we go by the definition below with storms, cold fronts,
etc, etc below then I guess certain parts of Victoria are just as good in terms
of "the lot" as anywhere in any state. One place that spring to mind is
Wonthaggi which is located about 100km SE of Melbourne. The number of
notable weather events in that area in the last 5 years (let alone the last 50)
surprises me. 6 waterspouts, a severe microburst, exteme sustained winds
from strong low pressure systems and cold fronts, hot in summer, cold in winter,
severe storms (inc. one which dumped golf ball hail on the town), snow...well
not in Wonthaggi itself but in the ranges within 30 mins drive yes. Only a
few bad points - chasing isn't great in the area and the warm season doesn't
last overly long.
Personally, I would love to live in many many
places around Australia and my love for the weather would ensure that I'd be
happy with anywhere I lived. Whether it be Thargomindah in Western QLD,
Singleton in the Lower Hunter, Grafton in NE NSW, Albany in SW WA, Woomera
in SA, Hobart in TAS or Castlemaine in VIC, wherever my life takes me my love
for the weather will follow. I'd be happy with frosts in Murtoa, hail in
Lismore, lightning at Adelaide River, snow at Falls Creek or sunsets in Shark
Bay. The perfect place to live for weather for me is anywhere.
Thankyou,
Macca
----- Original Message -----
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Subject: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to
Live
Hey everyone!
During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised
by Nick Sykes on the best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very
complex question, so i thought, what better place to ask that question
than in the aussie weather forum.
So we can outline the specifics, we are talking
year round weather. Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow,
sleet, tropical storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone
see Magnolia?).
So plead your case, and after the talking has
died down, we will tally the votes and we will find out what
you think is the best weather town of Australia ?
This should be interesting.
dann
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I support Mark on this one.
So does the Macquarie Dictionary.
It lists 9 definitions, of which several have some relevance:
2. any abnormal product or curiously unusual object; monstrosity
6. unusual; odd; irregular
7. a person who does not conform to orthodox, conservative forms of
behaviour, as by being a homosexual, by taking illicit drugs, by
wearing unconventional dress, etc.
A person wearing unconventional dress in your loungeroom may be
unusual or freakish, even though millions wear unconventional dress
around the world every day. A severe storm in Maroubra (or a category
4 cyclone in Broome ) is a freak, even though several occur every week
around the country.
To say that this storm was a freak event in Maroubra is a perfectly
correct use of plain english. Or are we rewriting the dictionary? Or
are we just worried about the media sensationalising the event...hold
on a minute...
sensation n. 7a. a state of excited feeling or interest caused among a
number of persons or throughout a community by some occurrence, etc.
I think we've got a bee in our bonnet:
a. an obsession
b. a slightly crazy idea, attitude, fad, etc.
Laurier
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 08:42:31 +1000 , David Jones
wrote:
>Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:19:36 +1000
>From: Mark Hardy
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: warnings and media
>
>>The Bureau is upset at the term "freak storm" from a meteorological
>>perspective? But from the public perspective describing them as freak is
>>perfectly reasonable. To the residents of Maroubra this storm was most
>>likely a very rare event. I don't think it's reasonable for the media to
>>have an understanding of the broadscale frequency of these storms.
>>
>>In talking to the local residents the radio stations would have heard from
>>many people that they had never seen a storm like it. Therefore to the
>>public in Maroubra it is a freak event. End of story. No point getting
>>worked up about it.
>>
>>Steve Symonds is a usually a good commentator but a tornado in
>>Wentworthville is of no consolation to the folks putting their lives back
>>together in Maroubra.
>>
>>The Bureau need to understand that the media reports the news from the
>>people's perspective. In order to be on the same wavelength the Bureau
>>should also be commenting on these events from the public perspective as
>>well. While the Bureau continue to position severe events in a strictly
>>meteorological manner there will continue to be a communication gulf
>between
>>the Bureau and the media/public.
>>
>>Mark
>
>Surely Mark this is all a matter of perspective. What is unusual at a point
>will be far from unusual across an area, and this is the point that is
>trying to be made. Storms like these are very frequent in NSW and to claim
>that they are somehow freak's can give the public the false impression that
>these are a meteorological rarity. People should be prepared for storms of
>this type, and to claim that they are somehow freakish allows a disowning of
>the responsibility for preparedness. If we follow your logic, we would call
>a category 4 cyclone passing over the city of Broome a freak cyclone, purely
>because such an event probably only occurs once in an average life time,
>when no one on this list would classify a category 4 cyclone as a freak.
>
>I believe the public is more intelligent than you give credit...
>
>BTW this is nothing personal. I just believe we have a collective
>responsibility to educate on such matters, rather than point fingers.
>
>Cheers,
>
>David.
>
>
>Dr David Jones
>
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As Geoff said, depends on your inclination; for me my love for snow (at
least a metre of it) and storms (severe thunderstorms not the regular though
boring tropical variety) would mean I'd pretty much be a vagrant over the
course of a year.
Winter: Melbourne for an easy weekends skiing, decent sea -level cold-air
action, and the vibe of the city itself.
Spring/Summer: For juicy storms, hover around the area defined by Singleton
- Armidale - Dorrigo - Newcastle (beautiful temperate + subtropical
rainforest, kayaking etc).
Autumn: Upper Blue Mountains, NSW - just love the way the cool seasons kicks
in up there.
For a fixed address though, I can't go past Sydney despite it going
megalopolis. Without doubt some of the most violent and photogenic
thunderstorms in the country are on offer during the spring-summer period.
Fishing is pretty good too! Also, to experience a 'real' autumn / winter,
the nearby Blue Mountains are hard to beat.
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>sensation n. 7a. a state of excited feeling or interest caused among a
>number of persons or throughout a community by some occurrence, etc.
>
>I think we've got a bee in our bonnet:
>a. an obsession
>b. a slightly crazy idea, attitude, fad, etc.
>
>Laurier
You are writing in non sequiturs Laurier ;-) actually, as usual, you do make
perfect sense. Severe thundestorms in particular are, as we all know, very
localised events even though they occur not infequently over the
metropolitan area as a whole. Every year storms blow the roof of a few
houses, break some glass etc somewhere in Sydney. Every several years they
do quite a bit more. However, they usually don't do it to the same house
very often and I'm sure if you asked the rooFLess people (not talking about
the media) or the people watching the news who only 20kms away got nothing
but a few rumbles, they would certainly consider it a 'very unusual' event.
The weather events that make news headlines are generally of the freaky
variety. As an outsider, the Chikasha-Bridge Creek-Moore OKC F5 tornado of
May 1999, was surely a freak event to the residents, even in that part of
the world.
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Maui.
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>I would vote for the combined area of SE QLD and NE NSW.
I Agree (I am new to this list, Hello All).
I live in Tamworth NSW, I work for TAFE and sometimes travel up to
Boggabilla via Gunnedah, Narrabri, Moree etc.
The roads are great for following storms. North of Gunnedah to the
Boggabilla is 100% flat and you can see storms as far away as 700 klms.
The storm activity and visibility is great here, we can see storms brewing
over the Liverpool ranges to the south down as far as Scone and west to
Bourke and Down to Qld.
Northpower have a great Storm Tracker page
(http://www.northpower.com.au/wrs/nthpower.nsf/html/tracker.html) that
allows me to monitor storms 24 hrs a day.
We get storms popup over the great dividing range that mix with our hot
country air and they usually brew into big storms.
I will try and get snapshots of good old country storms and post them when I
can.
As usual I will keep my eyes skyward and try not to loose my custard.
Simon
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To:
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live
> Hi all,
>
> This really is a difficult question...there are so many great areas.
> However, I am going to ignore political boundaries here, because I
> believe that SE QLD and NE NSW have very similar weather and geography,
> and are really the same weather wise. It's only split by a political
> state border, weather wise it doesn't change over the area. So for
> thunderstorms, I would vote for the combined area of SE QLD and NE NSW.
> These are great chasing areas (as far as roads/views go), and no doubt
> have the storms to match. Even on marginal days, the ranges often
> assist in providing the extra lift needed to produce even just a Cb or
> three to look at. Not to mention coastal shower/Cb events which always
> make it interesting in the SE'ly. And even the winter SW'lies can be
> fun when they rip through at gale force!
>
> But to throw a spanner into the works...I do admit that I have a
> fascination with Melbourne weather (yes, I need help...) The weather in
> Melbourne/Vic is extremely dynamic - something that I find exciting!
> And I think that'd it'd certainly be interesting living down there to
> experience the plethora of different weather setups!
>
> "Stratocumulus - not just a cloud, but a way of life!" :-)
>
> AC
>
> > dann weatherhead wrote:
> >
> > Hey everyone!
> >
> > During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on the
> > best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex
> > question, so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in
> > the aussie weather forum.
> >
> > So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather.
> > Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical
> > storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see
> > Magnolia?).
> >
> > So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will tally
> > the votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town
> > of Australia ?
> >
> > This should be interesting.
> >
> > dann
> > __________________________
> > Daniel Weatherhead
> > Blaxland, NSW
> > weatherhead at ozemail.com.au
> > SYDNEY STORM CHASERS
> > www.sydneystormchasers.com
>
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From: "Lyle Pakula"
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I have to say that in the form of 'weather', I
can't go past where I'm living now. Skiing in some of the best snow on
Earth (Colorado) and major storms in the spring, all no more than 2 hours from
here. I went on my first storm chase yesterday on the plains - nothing really
amazing, a cold stratus deck got sucked into our cell - actually we were
standing in the inflow with 30-40mph sustained winds and we turned around and
over 5 minutes watched/felt the cold humid air get sucked in and, 10 minutes
later, no storm. Admittedly, we knew this was highly likely but after a 4 month
winter, and I mean a winter no Australian can comprehend unless they have been
in that type of environment, a 5% chance was good enough. Hail was reported
in Cheyenne, Wyo.
Plus of the day - I have now been to 5 states of
the US and seen two nuclear launch sites - defiantly cool!
Where would I live? Melbourne - how great is our
town!
Cheers, Lyle
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to
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It's interesting that no one is yet to mention
Victoria, South Australia, Western Australia or Northern
Territory.
I think it really depends on what your personal
definition is. If we go by the definition below with storms, cold
fronts, etc, etc below then I guess certain parts of Victoria are just as good
in terms of "the lot" as anywhere in any state. One place that spring to
mind is Wonthaggi which is located about 100km SE of Melbourne. The
number of notable weather events in that area in the last 5 years (let alone
the last 50) surprises me. 6 waterspouts, a severe microburst, exteme
sustained winds from strong low pressure systems and cold fronts, hot in
summer, cold in winter, severe storms (inc. one which dumped golf ball hail on
the town), snow...well not in Wonthaggi itself but in the ranges within 30
mins drive yes. Only a few bad points - chasing isn't great in the area
and the warm season doesn't last overly long.
Personally, I would love to live in many many
places around Australia and my love for the weather would ensure that I'd be
happy with anywhere I lived. Whether it be Thargomindah in Western QLD,
Singleton in the Lower Hunter, Grafton in NE NSW, Albany in SW
WA, Woomera in SA, Hobart in TAS or Castlemaine in VIC, wherever my life
takes me my love for the weather will follow. I'd be happy with frosts
in Murtoa, hail in Lismore, lightning at Adelaide River, snow at Falls Creek
or sunsets in Shark Bay. The perfect place to live for weather for me is
anywhere.
Thankyou,
Macca
----- Original Message -----
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PM
Subject: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to
Live
Hey everyone!
During a discussion on IRC, a question was
raised by Nick Sykes on the best place to live in Australia weather-wise.
This a very complex question, so i thought, what better place to ask that
question than in the aussie weather forum.
So we can outline the specifics, we are talking
year round weather. Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow,
sleet, tropical storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone
see Magnolia?).
So plead your case, and after the talking has
died down, we will tally the votes and we will find out what
you think is the best weather town of Australia ?
This should be interesting.
dann
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 14:48:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mario Paul
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The Hunter Valley because its close enough to Sydney
(I love the vibe of the city). Close to the blue mts
(lovely place), not far to go north from there to
chase
in nth nsw, and of course the hunter itself gets some
great storms too! Did I mention the wineries? :)
--- Geoff Thurtell wrote:
> Sorry, meant TDU2000 below!
> Geoff
> >Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 21:48:18 +1000
> >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >From: Geoff Thurtell
> >Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live
> >
> >I vote for anywhere in Australia! Just from the
> messages that we see on
> >this list, most areas get interesting weather at
> some time during the year.
> >
> >For me personally, as I get older I would like to
> move further north from
> >western Sydney as I seem to be getting less
> tolerant of the freezing
> >winter mornings. Michael Thompson's suggestion of
> Maleny would suit me,
> >probably when I get closer to retiring.
> >
> >One town that has not been mentioned yet is
> Tenterfield in northern NSW.
> >By my criteria, it would not pass for winter...too
> cold and crisp,
> >although it would be nice to visit when it is
> snowing. I just felt when we
> >visited there during TDU2001, that it seemed to be
> a nice safe town but
> >also a good location to start chasing in any
> direction around northern NSW
> >and SE Queensland during summer.
> >
> >Sigh!...looks like I'll need two houses in my old
> age...summer in
> >Tenterfield, winter on the Sunshine Coast...
> >
> >Geoff Thurtell
> >At 06:10 PM 4/04/01 +1000, dann weatherhead wrote:
> >>Hey everyone!
> >>
> >>During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised
> by Nick Sykes on the
> >>best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This
> a very complex
> >>question, so i thought, what better place to ask
> that question than in
> >>the aussie weather forum.
> >>
> >>So we can outline the specifics, we are talking
> year round weather.
> >>Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow,
> sleet, tropical
> >>storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog
> (anyone see Magnolia?).
> >>
> >>So plead your case, and after the talking has died
> down, we will tally
> >>the votes and we will find out what you think is
> the best weather town of
> >>Australia ?
> >>
> >>This should be interesting.
> >>
> >>dann
> >>__________________________
> >>Daniel Weatherhead
> >>Blaxland, NSW
>
>>weatherhead at ozemail.com.au
> >>SYDNEY STORM CHASERS
>
>>www.sydneystormchasers.com
>
>
>
>
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G'day all,
Had to put one of my Zen readings up for a gander, even Buddha likes storm
chasing. :)
"The sentimental lover of nature only sees one side of her face; when it is
wet he goes indoors and speaks of the delightful hissing of rain on the
leaves. He does not let it trickle down his neck."
Alan Watts.
Lindsay Pearce
Blackheath, Central Tablelands of NSW
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Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 06:54:11 +0800
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Having been in most of Oz at one time or another, I shall add a
hearty "Amen!" to the bit I haven't snipped below.
Wherever I have lived - and it's been a lot of places now - I have loved
the weather.
I have lived in Hong Kong more than twelve years now and been through
dozens of typhoons. In 1999 we had four direct hits and I experienced
eye passage twice! Been almost dead since then though.
The disadvantages, though, are the incredible cost of living in this
place and the extreme busyness that often keeps you at meetings somewhere
when you would love to be out monitoring that storm...
For storm chasing there are few roads and only a very small territory to
cover without crossing international borders or running into the sea. I
can drive to the extreme end of this country in any direction in half an
hour. And the entire country has a blanket 50 km/h speed limit except on
the few freeways.
But we are blessed with huge numbers of storms which come and visit us,
even if we can't chase them very far.
Typhoons, tornados, waterspouts, thunderstorms, rainstorms, hailstorms,
gale-force monsoons, we get 'em all right here.
No snow though!
Anyone coming over?
Phil
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> > >I vote for anywhere in Australia! Just from the
> > messages that we see on
> > >this list, most areas get interesting weather at
> > some time during the year.
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G'day Laurier and all,
Yes, I certainly second that nomination or is it third it, after Daniel? I
couldn't have put it any better myself, Laurier.
Actually, its really funny as yesterday (the day of these posts) marks the
27th anniversary of the day I vowed I would come back to live here. Whilst
jogging along the Govetts Leap track (When the lookout was still opened) in
1974, I inscribed my initials and the date on a tree. The initials have
faded but the tree is still there and I can't believe I am now living here.
It was something I had planned to do around 2030 but got in a few years
earlier than expected after we "Bit the bullet" and moved to Blackheath in
1997. At the time, we had no jobs to rely on, just some handy pay out money.
We viewed it as a holiday and planned to return to Sydney if we couldn't
find work here.
Now, we have jobs, own our home, and...we have Blackheath.
By crikey, we are lucky.
Lindsay Pearce
PS: I know it wasn't a good idea to 'rough up' the tree, I was only eight at
the time.
Blackheath, Central Tablelands of NSW
Email: violin at lisp.com.au
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Big snip...
> Well, it has to be Blackheath, Blue Mountains, NSW! It's one of the
> reasons I chose to live here.
>
> That said, we have some really nice days too, along with four
> full-blooded seasons and weather best summed up in the words of Mark
> Twain's description of New England (USA) -- "If you don't like the
> weather, wait five minutes."
>
> Laurier
> (who's hoping Lindsay will second the nomination)
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One word for all those on TDU99............Thargomindah <G>
PaulY
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Dunno.................
Personally I like Darwin
:)
Max
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>
> This is really hard....
>
> Id have
to go the general Grafton area i think with roads to shoot
up
further
> into NE NSW.
> Lots of severe storms and rain
events, with floods as well, and a nice
drive
> towards Dorrigo and
the northern tablelands for snow events.
>
> Lots and lots of
close seconds....bathurst, bowral, lower hunter, glen
innes, SE
>
QLD.. could go on and on.
>
> Matt Smith
>
> dann
weatherhead wrote:
>
> > Yeah, I will second that Laurier.
Actually i think the Katoomba-Lithgow
area
> > is pretty damn
great place to be for all round year action.
> >
> >
dann
> >
> > > Well, it has to be Blackheath, Blue
Mountains, NSW! It's one of the
> > > reasons I chose to
live here.
> > >
> > > 1. Five to 10 days of snow each
winter, sometimes enough to close the
> > > highway, very
occasionally enough to isolate the town for a few days
> >
>
> > > 2. Frosts in winter, occasional blazing norwesters in
summer, complete
> > > with bushfires
> > >
>
> > 3. Westerly gales for days from August to October guaranteed to
send
> > > you scurrying home to the fireside while avoiding
falling trees
> > >
> > > 4. Pea-soup fogs rolling in
on the seabreeze front and every
> > > southeasterly
change
> > >
> > > 5. Breeding ground for lots of
storms we later export, secondhand, in
> > > the direction of
Sydney
> > >
> > > 6. Days of heavy rain when ECLs or
troughs bring the wind in from the
> > > ESE to ENE (though it
must be said a lack of flash flooding, as we're
> > > on a ridge
top)
> > >
> > > 7. Days of heavy rain from inland
systems moving coastwards, including
> > > recurving
ex-TCs
> > >
> > > 8. Independent validation of our
foul weather by vandals that persist
> > > in changing our station
nameboards from BLACKHEATH to LACKHEAT or
> > >
BLEAKHEATH.
> > >
> > > No falling frogs or fish yet,
but we're working on it.
> > >
> > > That said, we
have some really nice days too, along with four
> > > full-blooded
seasons and weather best summed up in the words of Mark
> > >
Twain's description of New England (USA) -- "If you don't like the
>
> > weather, wait five minutes."
> > >
> > >
Laurier
> > > (who's hoping Lindsay will second the
nomination)
> > >
> > > On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:10:14
+1000, "dann weatherhead"
> > > <weatherhead at ozemail.com.au>
wrote:
> > >
> > > >Hey everyone!
> > >
>
> > > >During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised
by Nick Sykes on
the
> > best place to live in Australia
weather-wise. This a very complex
question,
> > so i thought, what
better place to ask that question than in the aussie
> > weather
forum.
> > > >
> > > >So we can outline the
specifics, we are talking year round weather.
> > Storms,
cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical
> >
storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see
Magnolia?).
> > > >
> > > >So plead your case,
and after the talking has died down, we will
tally
> > the votes
and we will find out what you think is the best weather town
of
>
> Australia ?
> > > >
> > > >This should be
interesting.
> > > >
> > > >dann
> >
> >__________________________
> > > >Daniel
Weatherhead
> > > >Blaxland, NSW
> > >
>weatherhead at ozemail.com.au
> > > >SYDNEY STORM
CHASERS
> > > >www.sydneystormchasers.com
> >
>
> >
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From: "Paul Mossman"
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Darwin
of course! Gale force monsoons, gulf lines, squall lines, multi-cells, lightning
capital of australia if not the world, TC's, earthquakes, more rainfall in
6 months then most of you southerners get in 12 months, laid back lifestyle,
WARM all year round, and tax benefits for living here!
Not to
mention the amazing scenery - waterfalls to swim in, fishing, camping, etc etc.
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If perfection means variety, how could you go past south central Victoria;
Geelong-Bellarine Peninsula-Surf Coast? We've got it all (almost!) -
floods, droughts, heat waves, bushfires, strong winds, hail, flash floods,
lightning strikes (2 deaths and 8 injuries in the last 3 years), rough seas,
3 tornadoes or funnels in the last 12 months, average 3 severe storms every
summer, with the occasional snow (every 20 years), dust storms, red rain,
fogs, frosts, and yes, even falling frogs and fish!
Lindsay Smail.
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Canberra has some interesting weather at times:
Storms, heat, fires, drought, flash floods, snow, frost, lots of fogs and
beautiful mist formations around the lake and Brindabellas. The interaction
of the sea-breeze front in summer with the congestus over the ranges is also
fascinating. We certainly do get 4 distinct seasons.
Unfortunately, like most parts of inland Australia, we also have long
periods (such as the present) where not much happens. Canberra also suffers
from a rain shadow effect (although not as severely as the nearby Monaro)
which limits some of the more interesting weather coming in from the SW and
SE in particular.
I think that somewhere like Batlow or Tumbarumba would have more interesting
weather less affected by rain shadows (more snow, more storms and more
rain). Too much higher and I would say it becomes too cool to live
comfortably and you would miss a lot of the interesting weather because you
wouldn't see it for the fog and low cloud.
Victoria has interesting weather but is also subject (especially in the
south) to long periods of seemingly endless stratocumulus...
I often think it is a pity (with current climate patterns and locations of
other land masses oceans staying the same) that Australia is not 10 degrees
further south. I am sure that would give us a more similar set-up to the US
- with good continental polar airmass potential in the south in winter,
whilst retaining access to tropical moisture for storm fuel is late spring
summer. The continent would then provide an ideal playground for the
interaction of these airmasses.
Patrick
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Lower hunter, maybe Maitland or Muswellbrook. Watching the radar this past
summer and there has been easily a half dozen or more king sized storms go
through that area. All we need is a road from Muswellbrook crossing the
Barringtons to Gloucster and you'd have the best chase track in Australia.
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Hi All,
I thought I'd join in the fun and list some reasons (backed up with a few
pics) why I think the Alstonville/Wollongbar Plateau (just near Lismore) is
the best place to live. I have too much spare time, so don't read the
massive email if you don't have the time.
The weather watching from this area is really spectacular. These are some of
the things you can see sometimes around here.
Sometimes you'll look out the window and see the clear blue sky, another
lovely day.
http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0405de03.jpg
Sometimes you'll look out the window to see the showers falling in the
valley.
http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0402de13.jpg
Sometimes you'll look out the window and see a shelf cloud heading your way.
http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/1227de09.jpg
Sometimes you'll walk into the kitchen and see a large funnel dropping out
of a cloud
http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0129de01.jpg
Sometimes you'll come home from school to look at radar and see a
'sub-tropical cyclone' centering just of the coast, making the wind and rain
more 'fun'.
Sometimes you'll wake up to the news that Lismore has flooded, and you can
go down to have a look.
http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0202de03.jpg
Sometimes you'll see anvils in the distance. Not 1, not 2, maybe three or
more.
http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/1212de05.jpg
http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/1212de06.jpg
http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/1212de09.jpg
Sometimes you'll take a trip down the road and see a supercell, not one but
two. Both heading directly for you!
http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0117de15.jpg
http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0117de22.jpg
Sometimes you'll be driving along and see a guster like this blowing over
your head.
http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0117de31.jpg
Sometimes you'll find large hail lying around the place, after the guster
has come through.
http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0117de33.jpg
Sometimes when you wake up in the morning and fall asleep at night, the rain
is falling hard, and makes you want to curl up in bed and drift off.
Sometimes a westerly blows up, and manages to suspend you and you friend in
the air, while you hold up a large blanket. The westerly also gives a new
meaning to kite flying.
Sometimes you'll wake up to a fog filled valley that looks like a river
flowing below you.
Sometimes you'll wake up to a view like this.
http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0118de02.jpg
Sometimes you'll wake up to a 5-degree morning that keeps you in bed, or
around the fire until absolutely necessary to move and sometimes you'll
spend the day in 40-degrees plus
This is what weather watching is all about to me, and that is why I believe
that the Alstonville/Wollongbar Plateau is the best place to live, and watch
the weather!!
Sorry the email was so long!
Dave Ellem
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From: "W.A. (Bill) Webb"
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I second Thargomindah
Bill, one time Cunnamulla Fella,
now Proserpine/Whitsundays
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One word for all those on TDU99............Thargomindah <G>
PaulY
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 16:56:46 +1000
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Are you in the tourism industry?
Love your work.
Andrew.
Dave Ellem wrote:
>
> Hi All,
> I thought I'd join in the fun and list some reasons (backed up with a few
> pics) why I think the Alstonville/Wollongbar Plateau (just near Lismore) is
> the best place to live. I have too much spare time, so don't read the
> massive email if you don't have the time.
> The weather watching from this area is really spectacular. These are some of
> the things you can see sometimes around here.
> Sometimes you'll look out the window and see the clear blue sky, another
> lovely day.
> http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0405de03.jpg
> Sometimes you'll look out the window to see the showers falling in the
> valley.
> http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0402de13.jpg
> Sometimes you'll look out the window and see a shelf cloud heading your way.
> http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/1227de09.jpg
> Sometimes you'll walk into the kitchen and see a large funnel dropping out
> of a cloud
> http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0129de01.jpg
> Sometimes you'll come home from school to look at radar and see a
> 'sub-tropical cyclone' centering just of the coast, making the wind and rain
> more 'fun'.
> Sometimes you'll wake up to the news that Lismore has flooded, and you can
> go down to have a look.
> http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0202de03.jpg
> Sometimes you'll see anvils in the distance. Not 1, not 2, maybe three or
> more.
> http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/1212de05.jpg
> http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/1212de06.jpg
> http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/1212de09.jpg
> Sometimes you'll take a trip down the road and see a supercell, not one but
> two. Both heading directly for you!
> http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0117de15.jpg
> http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0117de22.jpg
> Sometimes you'll be driving along and see a guster like this blowing over
> your head.
> http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0117de31.jpg
> Sometimes you'll find large hail lying around the place, after the guster
> has come through.
> http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0117de33.jpg
> Sometimes when you wake up in the morning and fall asleep at night, the rain
> is falling hard, and makes you want to curl up in bed and drift off.
> Sometimes a westerly blows up, and manages to suspend you and you friend in
> the air, while you hold up a large blanket. The westerly also gives a new
> meaning to kite flying.
> Sometimes you'll wake up to a fog filled valley that looks like a river
> flowing below you.
> Sometimes you'll wake up to a view like this.
> http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0118de02.jpg
> Sometimes you'll wake up to a 5-degree morning that keeps you in bed, or
> around the fire until absolutely necessary to move and sometimes you'll
> spend the day in 40-degrees plus
> This is what weather watching is all about to me, and that is why I believe
> that the Alstonville/Wollongbar Plateau is the best place to live, and watch
> the weather!!
> Sorry the email was so long!
> Dave Ellem
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I'll 2nd Maui - where else in the world is there a rainfall gradient of
10 inches to 400 inches is 20 kms! Where else can you find a place where
it once rained on 467 consecutive days and averaged 5 hours of sunshine
per day at the same time.
After that, Port Douglas - great for sea Cu's and stream showers 9
months of the year. and third, Maleny - storms, very heavy rains and no
winter - that's a down side.
Spring in Tuscany, autumn in Maine, or if we are desparate, Kambala -
capitals of Uganda - the only city in the world with more than 240
thunder days per year (but no godd for Jimmy - it never hails)....
endless dreaming.
In NSW I'll settled for NE suburbs of Sydney
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Hi Michael,
As to whether Dorrigo goes off too early, it depends on the type of weather
system involved. What astounds me is that it goes off often and from what I
have heard from the locals cops some incredible storms. If anything is to
go off nearby Dorrigo will take off as well.
Jimmy Deguara
At 08:44 PM 4/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
>My vote is close to Jimmy also. I would actually choose Glen Innes. I
>would lose about 2/3 of Dorrigo's rainfall but probably pick up a higher
>rate of severe storms ( I think that the Dorrigo area often goes off too
>early ). There is also the chance of winter snow, not to mention frosts
>by the dozen. Glen Innes is a safe looking town, large enough to have
>amenities, but still small enough to be friendly. From Glen Innes you
>could strike out west to Inverell quickly, to the Darling downs in 2 hours
>or to Grafton in 2 hours. An alternative would be Stanthorpe in Queensland.
>
>If higher rainfall and a warmer climate were your priorities my second
>vote would to Maleny just west of the sunshine coast and Nambour, on a
>plateau overlooking the Glasshouse Mountains. High rainfall measured in
>metres, and within 1 hour chasing distance of some of Australia's tornado
>hotspots such as Gympie.
>
>Michael
>
>
>
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>Hey everyone!
>
>During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on the
>best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex
>question, so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in the
>aussie weather forum.
>
>So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather.
>Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical
>storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see Magnolia?).
>
>So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will tally the
>votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town of
>Australia ?
>
>This should be interesting.
>
>dann
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Wowie, The wet side or the dry side ?
Michael
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Carl and others
I notice Evariste Tempete Tropicale Moderee
(Moderate Tropical Storm Evariste) formed in that eastern low in the far eastern
Indian Ocean after taking a 180 degree U-turn overnight, while the low to the
west seems to be suffering shearing from the north west.
Walter to passing nail bitingly close to Xmas
Island despite being in a weakening mode (Cat 2).
NT low looks like passing overland.
Which still leaves me interested in that low now
close to the northern tip of Vanuatu. Looks good for development over night or
tomorrow, but after that it would appear that it may suffer due to poor upper
air environment.
Any thoughts on this ?
Regards
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Hi ppls,
Well I would have to say the perfect place to live would be Jupiter, all
year round storms, and a huge mother of a Cyclone continually producing
awesome lightning displays, most probably HUGE Hail the size of houses and
the winds, well lets just leave it at that.
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Evening all,
I'm pleased that I didn't respond to this question earlier, because your
responses have allowed me to fill in my calendar.
A mobile home would be my preferred place of residence (if I wasn't working the
hours that I am at present). Equipped with a computer, I would work when there
wasn't any significant weather in the area & chase on the days that there was.
The hardest decision would be "where do I go next?"
The calendar could be something like this: July - Perth & the SW for tornadoes,
August - up through the Snowy Mountains & environs (snow / sleet & frost), late
spring: northern slopes, tablelands & coast of NSW including SE
Queensland....aaah the plains storms of Mullaley, Gunnedah, Muswellbrook, Glen
Innes & northwards........up the coast (rain) & then across to Darwin for a
month or two of tropical weather & then off to the Plains of Oklahoma & Texas
for a month or two............and the best thing about this timetable? It isn't
a timetable - I can go where the weather is...if the jet is further north than
usual, then so might I be.....none of this having to call everyone else
'bastards' because you have the weather that I want........
...all I have to do now (amongst other things) is work out how to pay for my
petrol bill now we know how far we can actually drive in a
weekend........... Anthony, can you let me know if you win that raffle
please!!!!!
Jane
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Is there a Maui in Australia?
I know there is a tropical group of islands of something...
Also - why Maui?
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My reasons for Maui
Maximum weather variability per square metre!
As Don said 200mm to 10,000mm of rain per annum in a distance of 10km. You
can be driving along and pass through several climate zones in 5 minutes.
Mt Haleakeala at 10,033 feet has an alpine-like climate and a landscape like
the moon at the top. Snow is rare but happens. It sits above the
semi-permanent trade wind inversion. Thunderstorms are not very common but
can occur.
The slopes of Haleakela pass through everything, tropical, subtropical and
mid-latitude climates both wet and dry.
Tradewinds blow 30kts constantly on the windward side.
Perfectly still sunshine on the leeward shores.
The worlds biggest swell provide some of the worlds most awesome surf at
places like JAWS, Honalua Bay, Ma'alea and Ho'okipa.
Hurricanes are rare but one passed through when I was there in 1994.
All on an Island about 100km in length. You can easily drive around it in a
day.
If you are bored with the weather on Maui you only need to take a hike.
Mark
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> I'll 2nd Maui - where else in the world is there a rainfall gradient of
> 10 inches to 400 inches is 20 kms! Where else can you find a place where
> it once rained on 467 consecutive days and averaged 5 hours of sunshine
> per day at the same time.
> After that, Port Douglas - great for sea Cu's and stream showers 9
> months of the year. and third, Maleny - storms, very heavy rains and no
> winter - that's a down side.
> Spring in Tuscany, autumn in Maine, or if we are desparate, Kambala -
> capitals of Uganda - the only city in the world with more than 240
> thunder days per year (but no godd for Jimmy - it never hails)....
> endless dreaming.
> In NSW I'll settled for NE suburbs of Sydney
> Don White
> "Mark Hardy (home)" wrote:
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Yeah Jimmy must be good for t'storms. Stayed at a guest house there in '95 which has a purpose built room with 180 degrees of windows just for watching storms - Tallawallah Retreat I think it's called.
one lazy chaser
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>Hi Michael,
>
>As to whether Dorrigo goes off too early, it depends on the type of
>weather
>system involved. What astounds me is that it goes off often and from
>what I
>have heard from the locals cops some incredible storms. If anything
>is to
>go off nearby Dorrigo will take off as well.
>
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For lovers of heavy rainfall where else in Australia but Bellenden Ker?
So what if there's only a telephone tower there.....or do people
actually live nearby/on the mountain etc? The climate must be pretty
good in terms of temperature..wouldn't be too hot or cold?
For me it would be a dream come true to measure up to 11,000 mm of rain
per annum...
Don White wrote:
>
> I'll 2nd Maui - where else in the world is there a rainfall gradient of
> 10 inches to 400 inches is 20 kms! Where else can you find a place where
> it once rained on 467 consecutive days and averaged 5 hours of sunshine
> per day at the same time.
> After that, Port Douglas - great for sea Cu's and stream showers 9
> months of the year. and third, Maleny - storms, very heavy rains and no
> winter - that's a down side.
> Spring in Tuscany, autumn in Maine, or if we are desparate, Kambala -
> capitals of Uganda - the only city in the world with more than 240
> thunder days per year (but no godd for Jimmy - it never hails)....
> endless dreaming.
> In NSW I'll settled for NE suburbs of Sydney
> Don White
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At Bellenden Kerr, the bloody rain gauge would be covered in moss.. I was
wondering if they actually do a wee wee in the rain gauge?
Jimmy Deguara
At 08:42 PM 5/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
>For lovers of heavy rainfall where else in Australia but Bellenden Ker?
>So what if there's only a telephone tower there.....or do people
>actually live nearby/on the mountain etc? The climate must be pretty
>good in terms of temperature..wouldn't be too hot or cold?
>For me it would be a dream come true to measure up to 11,000 mm of rain
>per annum...
>
>Don White wrote:
> >
> > I'll 2nd Maui - where else in the world is there a rainfall gradient of
> > 10 inches to 400 inches is 20 kms! Where else can you find a place where
> > it once rained on 467 consecutive days and averaged 5 hours of sunshine
> > per day at the same time.
> > After that, Port Douglas - great for sea Cu's and stream showers 9
> > months of the year. and third, Maleny - storms, very heavy rains and no
> > winter - that's a down side.
> > Spring in Tuscany, autumn in Maine, or if we are desparate, Kambala -
> > capitals of Uganda - the only city in the world with more than 240
> > thunder days per year (but no godd for Jimmy - it never hails)....
> > endless dreaming.
> > In NSW I'll settled for NE suburbs of Sydney
> > Don White
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At 18:55 5/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
>Is there a Maui in Australia?
>
>I know there is a tropical group of islands of something...
>
>Also - why Maui?
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>> Maui.
It's the name of an oil rig off the Taranaki coast
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At 18:07 5/04/01 +0930, you wrote:
>Hi ppls,
>
>Well I would have to say the perfect place to live would be Jupiter, all
>year round storms, and a huge mother of a Cyclone continually producing
>awesome lightning displays, most probably HUGE Hail the size of houses and
>the winds, well lets just leave it at that.
>
>PS
>Etc...etc..etc..etc..etc..etc..etc.........................................
....
>
>regards
>
>Andrew
Shall we all Storm Chasers move there.
Better fun than boring old planet Earth
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My reasons for Maui
Maximum weather variability per square metre!
As Don said 200mm to 10,000mm of rain per annum in a distance of 10km. You
can be driving along and pass through several climate zones in 5 minutes.
Mt Haleakeala at 10,033 feet has an alpine-like climate and a landscape like
the moon at the top. Snow is rare but happens. It sits above the
semi-permanent trade wind inversion. Thunderstorms are not very common but
can occur.
The slopes of Haleakela pass through everything, tropical, subtropical and
mid-latitude climates both wet and dry.
Tradewinds blow 30kts constantly on the windward side.
Perfectly still sunshine on the leeward shores.
The worlds biggest swell provide some of the worlds most awesome surf at
places like JAWS, Honalua Bay, Ma'alea and Ho'okipa.
Hurricanes are rare but one passed through when I was there in 1994.
All on an Island about 100km in length. You can easily drive around it in a
day.
If you are bored with the weather on Maui you only need to take a hike.
Mark
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> I'll 2nd Maui - where else in the world is there a rainfall gradient of
> 10 inches to 400 inches is 20 kms! Where else can you find a place where
> it once rained on 467 consecutive days and averaged 5 hours of sunshine
> per day at the same time.
> After that, Port Douglas - great for sea Cu's and stream showers 9
> months of the year. and third, Maleny - storms, very heavy rains and no
> winter - that's a down side.
> Spring in Tuscany, autumn in Maine, or if we are desparate, Kambala -
> capitals of Uganda - the only city in the world with more than 240
> thunder days per year (but no godd for Jimmy - it never hails)....
> endless dreaming.
> In NSW I'll settled for NE suburbs of Sydney
> Don White
> "Mark Hardy (home)" wrote:
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>> Maui.
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Definitely not THAT Maui.
MH
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| At 18:55 5/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
| >Is there a Maui in Australia?
| >
| >I know there is a tropical group of islands of something...
| >
| >Also - why Maui?
|
| >Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live
| >
| >
| >> Maui.
|
| It's the name of an oil rig off the Taranaki coast
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> >Well I would have to say the perfect place to live would be Jupiter, all
> >year round storms, and a huge mother of a Cyclone continually producing
> >awesome lightning displays, most probably HUGE Hail the size of houses
>and
> >the winds, well lets just leave it at that.
> >
> >PS
> >Etc...etc..etc..etc..etc..etc..etc.........................................
> >
> >regards
> >
> >Andrew
>
>Shall we all Storm Chasers move there.
>Better fun than boring old planet Earth
the equatorial jet stream of Jupiter is thought to be in the order of
30,000 kms wide and moving at up to 400km/hr - but a rather zonal flow.
Also, would bet it is hard going chasing on that metallic hydrogen. dont
know about the hail though!!
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Hey Don,
I suspect some places on the West Coast of the south island could definatly
be up there with rainfall gradients but probbaly not the sunshine ;)
Cya
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> I'll 2nd Maui - where else in the world is there a rainfall gradient of
> 10 inches to 400 inches is 20 kms! Where else can you find a place where
> it once rained on 467 consecutive days and averaged 5 hours of sunshine
> per day at the same time.
> After that, Port Douglas - great for sea Cu's and stream showers 9
> months of the year. and third, Maleny - storms, very heavy rains and no
> winter - that's a down side.
> Spring in Tuscany, autumn in Maine, or if we are desparate, Kambala -
> capitals of Uganda - the only city in the world with more than 240
> thunder days per year (but no godd for Jimmy - it never hails)....
> endless dreaming.
> In NSW I'll settled for NE suburbs of Sydney
> Don White
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> > Maui.
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Hey andrew,
i can't say i remember jupiters atmospheric constituents too clearly but i
don't think itw would have hail nor lightning - due to the absence of hail.
cheers, lyle
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> Hi ppls,
>
> Well I would have to say the perfect place to live would be Jupiter, all
> year round storms, and a huge mother of a Cyclone continually producing
> awesome lightning displays, most probably HUGE Hail the size of houses and
> the winds, well lets just leave it at that.
>
> PS
>
Etc...etc..etc..etc..etc..etc..etc..........................................
...
>
> regards
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And for my second favourite place to reside...and most of you will hate me
for this :)
Fairbanks, Alaska.
With climate change impacting on all of us, by the time I retire, it should
be just about perfect there, not that it isn't already.
I've seen pics of ice fog and -50C on new years eve there.
Bewdiful.
Lindsay Pearce
PS: I've gotta say though, Jane's caravan idea (Me, a Winnebago with a
trailer for the car etc) is pretty spiffy. Even my partner is keen on that
one, whohoo!
Blackheath, Central Tablelands of NSW
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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 07:24:57 +1000
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Hi all,
Looking at JTWC, they have named the tropical low to the N of Vanuatu!
TC Sose, JTWC have it tracking WSW and then SW to SSW in the next
24-48hrs slowly intensifying to 70kn winds.
Fiji's ocean wind warning suggest it to turn SE soon though :/
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Anthony
Any pronunciation guesses: Sosee Sozee Zozee Something else ?
Simon
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> Hi all,
>
> Looking at JTWC, they have named the tropical low to the N of Vanuatu!
> TC Sose, JTWC have it tracking WSW and then SW to SSW in the next
> 24-48hrs slowly intensifying to 70kn winds.
>
> Fiji's ocean wind warning suggest it to turn SE soon though :/
> --
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Id have to agree with Paul on this one. Darwin is
such a great place even when its the dry season. Ive been there twice and seen
Kakudu in both the wet and the dry and I must say it is one of my favourite
locations. Also Darwin gets their fare share of tornados which has certainly
been proven this year.
Matthew Piper
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Darwin of course! Gale force monsoons, gulf lines, squall lines,
multi-cells, lightning capital of australia if not the world, TC's,
earthquakes, more rainfall in 6 months then most of you southerners get in 12
months, laid back lifestyle, WARM all year round, and tax benefits for living
here!
Not
to mention the amazing scenery - waterfalls to swim in, fishing, camping, etc
etc.
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How about the summit weather station on Mt Washington, in the White
Mountains of New Hampshire in the USA. World record straight line wind
speed. World record rime formations.
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It'll probably never happen, but wouldn't a Bellenden Ker weather cam be
kinda cool [apart from being in cloud half the time, maybe it should come
with its own searchlight ;)]
>At Bellenden Kerr, the bloody rain gauge would be covered in moss.. I was
>wondering if they actually do a wee wee in the rain gauge?
>
>Jimmy Deguara
>
>At 08:42 PM 5/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
>>For lovers of heavy rainfall where else in Australia but Bellenden Ker?
>>So what if there's only a telephone tower there.....or do people
>>actually live nearby/on the mountain etc? The climate must be pretty
>>good in terms of temperature..wouldn't be too hot or cold?
>>For me it would be a dream come true to measure up to 11,000 mm of rain
>>per annum...
>>
>>Don White wrote:
>> >
>> > I'll 2nd Maui - where else in the world is there a rainfall gradient of
>> > 10 inches to 400 inches is 20 kms! Where else can you find a place where
>> > it once rained on 467 consecutive days and averaged 5 hours of sunshine
>> > per day at the same time.
>> > After that, Port Douglas - great for sea Cu's and stream showers 9
>> > months of the year. and third, Maleny - storms, very heavy rains and no
>> > winter - that's a down side.
>> > Spring in Tuscany, autumn in Maine, or if we are desparate, Kambala -
>> > capitals of Uganda - the only city in the world with more than 240
>> > thunder days per year (but no godd for Jimmy - it never hails)....
>> > endless dreaming.
>> > In NSW I'll settled for NE suburbs of Sydney
>> > Don White
>> > "Mark Hardy (home)" wrote:
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>> > > Maui.
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Hi Lyle,
As far as I recall Jupiter is actually extremely lightning-active. The
reasons I can't recall but I'm pretty sure methane ice can exist at the
temperatures in the cloud-tops and Jupiter's intense magnetic field may well
cause enormous currents to flow from one point to another...
Cheers,
Kevin from Wycheproof.
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>Hey andrew,
>
>i can't say i remember jupiters atmospheric constituents too clearly but i
>don't think itw would have hail nor lightning - due to the absence of hail.
>
>cheers, lyle
>
>
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>
>
> > Hi ppls,
> >
> > Well I would have to say the perfect place to live would be Jupiter, all
> > year round storms, and a huge mother of a Cyclone continually producing
> > awesome lightning displays, most probably HUGE Hail the size of houses
>and
> > the winds, well lets just leave it at that.
> >
> > PS
> >
>Etc...etc..etc..etc..etc..etc..etc..........................................
>...
> >
> > regards
> >
> > Andrew
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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:36:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Jones
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Laurier I would reiterate my point that this is all a mater of perspective.
In respect of the Dictionary either argument could be equally supported.
From "6. unusual; odd; irregular" a storm of this severity may be odd or
unusual from the perspective of the residents but with 100s or 1000s of
similar storms occurring around Australia in a single year it could equally
be view as not being "unusual, odd, or irregular".
My point is that sometimes you need to consider the perspective from which
the point is being made. It might seem insensitive, but most people are
pretty decent, and Steve's comments downplaying the "freakishness of the
storm" would seem to be more of a educational point rather than an
insensitive jibe at affected parties.
That said... I guess the MAIN concern I have with the introduction of words
such as "freak" is that it allows a disowning or justification for
ill-preparedness. A classic recent example is the flooding of parts of
Cairns CBD about a month ago associated with Spring Tides. These were widely
quoted as freak, but such an event is an annual occurrence (and while this
might have been partly enhanced by the prevailing atmospheric situation),
anybody who has seen this area knows such a event is just waiting to happen.
Another one that comes to mind is the Yarra flood disaster waiting to happen
around central Melbourne. For example, if we were to have a 1934 style flood
(which is almost a certainty) you would expect that billions of dollars
worth of real-estate around the Yarra River will be inundated. When this
happens, one can guarantee that there will be all manner of superlatives
applied including "freak" and "record" and associated calls for Government
hand-outs when we know it is a statistical certainty that this type of event
will happen again. I guess my views come out of my time in climate/climate
forecasting where everything is viewed from a probability point of view,
which really doesn't allow for the categorical labels such as "freak". From
this perspective the occurrence of an event is a "certainty" provided you
live long enough.
I should add that this is all my personal view.
Regards,
David.
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Subject: aus-wx: The perfect place to live.
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 09:53:01 +1000
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>From: Don White
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live
>I'll 2nd Maui - where else in the world is there a rainfall gradient of
>10 inches to 400 inches is 20 kms! Where else can you find a place where
>it once rained on 467 consecutive days and averaged 5 hours of sunshine
>per day at the same time.
>After that, Port Douglas - great for sea Cu's and stream showers 9
>months of the year.
I think I'm with you on this one Don. There is some really nice real estate
on Flagstaff Hill from where I could happily spend many hours watching the
weather, though the down side is the PRICE.
Further south, I probably couldn't go past some of the Alpine Valley
locations on the eastern side of the Snowy's - Thredbo Village location is
nice but way to busy and snobbish. High rainfall, ripper frosts at any time
of year, the odd BIG dump of snow, and storms, but interspersed with those
great mountain day with brilliant sunshine and fantastic scenery.
Outside of Australia, for wet and cold my vote would go for somewhere in
British Columbia, and for warm and wet I couldn't go past Maui or maybe
Hawaii proper (at least that way I could still get a ski in).
Cheers,
David.
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Subject: aus-wx: Sydney Squall Line pics and a bushfire!
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:06:26 +1000
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Heya everyone,
Well i have finally gotten my photos developed from
the 28/02/01 ---the squall line day through sydney.
My scanner has been broken for about 4 months, but
in a completely fluke effort yesterday, i fixed it.
So here are some quite interesting
pics....
This photo was taken over the turf farms over
Richmond and Freemans Reach. This photo shows the far NE end of the squall line.
This updraft was spinning like a top. In my days of chasing i have almost never
seen a more dynamic updraft ( 13 nov 1998 was pretty awesome too!). It was in
the right area for a supercell to form, it looked like a
supercell, it smelled like a supercell, but whether it was i dunno. I
think it may have been too short lived to be a supercell, although it was
around for at least 60 minutes. You can see the outflow forming to the
bottom right of the main updraft. The white shaft is 1-2 cm hail that dropped
over Kurrajong Heights and Portland.
The next photo is a few minutes later with a more
pronounced outflow
To top it off, a bushfire!!
Last thursday a pretty big bushfire burned away for
most the day south of Glenbrook on the Lwer Blue Mountains. There was lots of
pyrocumulus from this fire and at sunset it even gave some sooty smelling precip
on our house at Blaxland. Anyway this is at about 3pm. Look at the rotation in
the smoke plume!
Cheers!
dann
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Subject: aus-wx: Sydney Squall Line Pics and a bushfire!
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:51:01 +1000
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Dann,
Your photos are wonderful, lucky you. What sort of camera do you use?
Judy Mayo
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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 13:59:37 +0930
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Hi all, for those that either disagree or don't know check this page out,
shows the image of Lightning on Jupiter from the Galileo Spacecraft which
is orbiting Jupier now.
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap971216.html
Andrew...
At 09:29 AM 4/6/01 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi Lyle,
>
>As far as I recall Jupiter is actually extremely lightning-active. The
>reasons I can't recall but I'm pretty sure methane ice can exist at the
>temperatures in the cloud-tops and Jupiter's intense magnetic field may
>well cause enormous currents to flow from one point to another...
>
>Cheers,
>Kevin from Wycheproof.
>
>
>>From: "Lyle Pakula"
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>>To:
>>Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live
>>Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:35:39 -0600
>>
>>Hey andrew,
>>
>>i can't say i remember jupiters atmospheric constituents too clearly but i
>>don't think itw would have hail nor lightning - due to the absence of hail.
>>
>>cheers, lyle
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
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>>
>>
>> > Hi ppls,
>> >
>> > Well I would have to say the perfect place to live would be Jupiter, all
>> > year round storms, and a huge mother of a Cyclone continually producing
>> > awesome lightning displays, most probably HUGE Hail the size of houses and
>> > the winds, well lets just leave it at that.
>> >
>> > PS
>> >
>>Etc...etc..etc..etc..etc..etc..etc..........................................
>>...
>> >
>> > regards
>> >
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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 15:19:04 +1000
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Subject: [auswx-webmasters] Text AWS Data
All,
Where can I get a simply formatted raw text format of the AWS data (that
updates as often as possible)?
I am writing a program to graphically display the data, and am currently
getting it from one of the BoM HTML pages so I have to use a function to
filter out all the HTML and other garbage which is pretty messy.
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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 15:34:52 +1000
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Sorry, I should add that to start with I want it for NSW.
Andrew.
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> All,
>
> Where can I get a simply formatted raw text format of the AWS data (that
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> I am writing a program to graphically display the data, and am currently
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> Thanks in advance,
>
> Andrew.
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Andrew
You can get that data from the Bureau. They have a comma delimited text file
available by FTP updated every 15 minutes. The fee is $108.30 per year.
Mark
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> Sorry, I should add that to start with I want it for NSW.
>
> Andrew.
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>> All,
>>
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>>
>> Andrew.
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From: "Simon Clarke"
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 17:42:00 +1000
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Interested peoples
Looks impressive in latest sat pics, particularly
bearing in mind yesterday's BoM TC outlook predicting no development and a path
well away from Qld. They may still be spot on the second
prediction.
I think it all depends on how far Sose gets toward
the west before a southward movement.
Continued westward movement would see steady
strengthening, while a southward path would probably see unfavourable upper
winds ????????
Nonetheless, I think the surf will soon be up along
the south coast for all those who are so inclined.
Regards
Simon
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 19:28:34 +1000
From: Keith Barnett
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It would keep a lawn mowing firm gainfully employed, and as for the wee
wee, I had that problem at Dulwich Hill in 1963, but from a pet dog.
With the rain gauge showing 2.5mm after a fine clear night, and that not
looking like rain water, the weather log for that day was suitably and
prominently endorsed 'dog's mess interference'....
Jimmy Deguara wrote:
>
> At Bellenden Kerr, the bloody rain gauge would be covered in moss.. I was
> wondering if they actually do a wee wee in the rain gauge?
>
> Jimmy Deguara
>
> At 08:42 PM 5/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
> >For lovers of heavy rainfall where else in Australia but Bellenden Ker?
> >So what if there's only a telephone tower there.....or do people
> >actually live nearby/on the mountain etc? The climate must be pretty
> >good in terms of temperature..wouldn't be too hot or cold?
> >For me it would be a dream come true to measure up to 11,000 mm of rain
> >per annum...
> >
> >Don White wrote:
> > >
> > > I'll 2nd Maui - where else in the world is there a rainfall gradient of
> > > 10 inches to 400 inches is 20 kms! Where else can you find a place where
> > > it once rained on 467 consecutive days and averaged 5 hours of sunshine
> > > per day at the same time.
> > > After that, Port Douglas - great for sea Cu's and stream showers 9
> > > months of the year. and third, Maleny - storms, very heavy rains and no
> > > winter - that's a down side.
> > > Spring in Tuscany, autumn in Maine, or if we are desparate, Kambala -
> > > capitals of Uganda - the only city in the world with more than 240
> > > thunder days per year (but no godd for Jimmy - it never hails)....
> > > endless dreaming.
> > > In NSW I'll settled for NE suburbs of Sydney
> > > Don White
> > > "Mark Hardy (home)" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Maui.
> > > >
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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 19:31:51 +1000
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I read that Jupiter has lightning bolts 30000 km in length.
Kevin Phyland wrote:
>
> Hi Lyle,
>
> As far as I recall Jupiter is actually extremely lightning-active. The
> reasons I can't recall but I'm pretty sure methane ice can exist at the
> temperatures in the cloud-tops and Jupiter's intense magnetic field may well
> cause enormous currents to flow from one point to another...
>
> Cheers,
> Kevin from Wycheproof.
>
> >From: "Lyle Pakula"
> >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >To:
> >Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live
> >Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:35:39 -0600
> >
> >Hey andrew,
> >
> >i can't say i remember jupiters atmospheric constituents too clearly but i
> >don't think itw would have hail nor lightning - due to the absence of hail.
> >
> >cheers, lyle
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Andrew Wall"
> >To:
> >Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 2:37 AM
> >Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live
> >
> >
> > > Hi ppls,
> > >
> > > Well I would have to say the perfect place to live would be Jupiter, all
> > > year round storms, and a huge mother of a Cyclone continually producing
> > > awesome lightning displays, most probably HUGE Hail the size of houses
> >and
> > > the winds, well lets just leave it at that.
> > >
> > > PS
> > >
> >Etc...etc..etc..etc..etc..etc..etc..........................................
> >...
> > >
> > > regards
> > >
> > > Andrew
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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 19:30:55 +1000
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You could always install a fog horn....
Phil Bagust wrote:
>
> It'll probably never happen, but wouldn't a Bellenden Ker weather cam be
> kinda cool [apart from being in cloud half the time, maybe it should come
> with its own searchlight ;)]
>
> >At Bellenden Kerr, the bloody rain gauge would be covered in moss.. I was
> >wondering if they actually do a wee wee in the rain gauge?
> >
> >Jimmy Deguara
> >
> >At 08:42 PM 5/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
> >>For lovers of heavy rainfall where else in Australia but Bellenden Ker?
> >>So what if there's only a telephone tower there.....or do people
> >>actually live nearby/on the mountain etc? The climate must be pretty
> >>good in terms of temperature..wouldn't be too hot or cold?
> >>For me it would be a dream come true to measure up to 11,000 mm of rain
> >>per annum...
> >>
> >>Don White wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I'll 2nd Maui - where else in the world is there a rainfall gradient of
> >> > 10 inches to 400 inches is 20 kms! Where else can you find a place where
> >> > it once rained on 467 consecutive days and averaged 5 hours of sunshine
> >> > per day at the same time.
> >> > After that, Port Douglas - great for sea Cu's and stream showers 9
> >> > months of the year. and third, Maleny - storms, very heavy rains and no
> >> > winter - that's a down side.
> >> > Spring in Tuscany, autumn in Maine, or if we are desparate, Kambala -
> >> > capitals of Uganda - the only city in the world with more than 240
> >> > thunder days per year (but no godd for Jimmy - it never hails)....
> >> > endless dreaming.
> >> > In NSW I'll settled for NE suburbs of Sydney
> >> > Don White
> >> > "Mark Hardy (home)" wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Maui.
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> >
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Your right Jimmy, when there is widespread and general instability it is the
first to go off often , but when conditions are borderline then Dorrigo
often has the only storms around, and I am always a fan of borderline
conditions. Borderline conditions don't always mean weak storms, sometimes
they mean only the severe survive. The Ebor area just west would also be
interesting.
Michael
>
> As to whether Dorrigo goes off too early, it depends on the type of
weather
> system involved. What astounds me is that it goes off often and from what
I
> have heard from the locals cops some incredible storms. If anything is to
> go off nearby Dorrigo will take off as well.
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Many of you say that Darwin is the place to be.
There are some Darwin jobs in the latest Commonwealth Government Gazette.
Most of the Centrelink jobs are now open to all, not just pubic servants and
many people are now recruited at levels well above base.
The work is crap and gone are the days when it was an easy job, but for a
single person the opportunities for travel are there. In the past 3 months
there has been jobs in Darwin, Townsville, Cairns, Tweed Heads and Port
Macquarie just to name a few very desirable locations....and you have the
weekends and afternoons to chase.
Address
is
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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 20:35:53 +1000
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Hi Keith,
You sense of humour never seems to amaze me. I had a situation the other
day where we had rain but I was wondering (just subconsiously) that the
rainfall was surprising. Well it happened the next morning that I was told
my father watering the garden and perhaps say dreaming a little accidently
watered the inside of the raingauge. I am at a loss now as to how much went
in. I will have to review the amount.
Jimmy Deguara
At 07:28 PM 6/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
>It would keep a lawn mowing firm gainfully employed, and as for the wee
>wee, I had that problem at Dulwich Hill in 1963, but from a pet dog.
>With the rain gauge showing 2.5mm after a fine clear night, and that not
>looking like rain water, the weather log for that day was suitably and
>prominently endorsed 'dog's mess interference'....
>
>Jimmy Deguara wrote:
> >
> > At Bellenden Kerr, the bloody rain gauge would be covered in moss.. I was
> > wondering if they actually do a wee wee in the rain gauge?
> >
> > Jimmy Deguara
> >
> > At 08:42 PM 5/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
> > >For lovers of heavy rainfall where else in Australia but Bellenden Ker?
> > >So what if there's only a telephone tower there.....or do people
> > >actually live nearby/on the mountain etc? The climate must be pretty
> > >good in terms of temperature..wouldn't be too hot or cold?
> > >For me it would be a dream come true to measure up to 11,000 mm of rain
> > >per annum...
> > >
> > >Don White wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'll 2nd Maui - where else in the world is there a rainfall gradient of
> > > > 10 inches to 400 inches is 20 kms! Where else can you find a place
> where
> > > > it once rained on 467 consecutive days and averaged 5 hours of sunshine
> > > > per day at the same time.
> > > > After that, Port Douglas - great for sea Cu's and stream showers 9
> > > > months of the year. and third, Maleny - storms, very heavy rains and no
> > > > winter - that's a down side.
> > > > Spring in Tuscany, autumn in Maine, or if we are desparate, Kambala -
> > > > capitals of Uganda - the only city in the world with more than 240
> > > > thunder days per year (but no godd for Jimmy - it never hails)....
> > > > endless dreaming.
> > > > In NSW I'll settled for NE suburbs of Sydney
> > > > Don White
> > > > "Mark Hardy (home)" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Maui.
> > > > >
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> > NSW Australia
> >
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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 21:16:39 +1000
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Hi Michael,
Thanks for the clarification on that point. But I would also like to make
my point a little clearer.
On days that we may consider pulse storm days or perhaps weak cap days, my
judgement of this area is they still have the ability to fire. One prime
example was the 4th November 2000 hailstorm at Dorrigo. Sure it was an
unstable environment but there were many supercells that afternoon - in
fact too many. So one would assume it was not idea for the best storms. I
tell you what, when I got to Grafton that afternoon, I thought most of the
activity was over but I was promised by Paul Graham that there was a very
serious storm to the S. Hey starting from that area and moving generally
north. Often these storms don't make it to Grafton but smash through the
region around Nymboida. To my astonishment, after seeing one supercell
drift north from near the area say NW of Dorrigo, this one that Paul Graham
mention had a wall cloud. Trust me on this one, I often ask the locals in
my storm chases and use my experience in judging exaggeration. I have found
for the first time, almost every single local in that region talking of
violent hailstorms of being almost "normal" occurrence. Obviously some
years more than others. So why don't we know?
Well the explanation is, when I visited an area around just to the
northeast of Dorrigo, I found stories of almost undiscovered countries.
They are often without telephone lines let alone power. It is an isolated
area and can be understood that the elevation and uplift of the NE winds in
the afternoon makes it ideal. The storms often then die before they hit the
coast on days of they move NE. The locals told me that they have a few of
the volunteers checking out the areas hit and report it to the SES as
nobody otherwise would know what has happened in the area.
Now for the SE eradicator? Not so, often because of the shape of the
escarpment, a SE flow with NE ahead of it can enhance at least briefly the
prospect of storms in the area whereas Sydney and other areas tend to lose
out in such situations.
Anyway enough of me. I am getting too excited just talking of the area. The
only thing I can say is that if you don't go there, not even radar can give
you an indication of how serious that area is to producing severe storm
activity. I mean even talking to Michael Bath who first noticed this
pattern and he has a person who lived in the area and suggests that severe
storms are a regular occurrence. I actually had to visit there and hear the
stories to really realise it.
I am definitely going to live there one day:)
Jimmy Deguara
At 08:13 PM 6/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
>Your right Jimmy, when there is widespread and general instability it is the
>first to go off often , but when conditions are borderline then Dorrigo
>often has the only storms around, and I am always a fan of borderline
>conditions. Borderline conditions don't always mean weak storms, sometimes
>they mean only the severe survive. The Ebor area just west would also be
>interesting.
>
>Michael
> >
> > As to whether Dorrigo goes off too early, it depends on the type of
>weather
> > system involved. What astounds me is that it goes off often and from what
>I
> > have heard from the locals cops some incredible storms. If anything is to
> > go off nearby Dorrigo will take off as well.
> >
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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 22:09:31 +1000
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Hi all.
Very nice baroclinic zone developing over central Australia tonight in
response to a developing low south east of Esperance,also a nice cold air
field moving into the western Bight region,best of all is the mid and high
cloud extending from the tropical disturbance over the top end of the NT.At
the moment this set up is looking ok for general rain across eastern
Australia especially when the cold front mixes in on Saturday.Keep a watch
on cyclone SOSE which is moving westward this may develop into a monster
and may push to cat 4/5 (what do you think Anthony?)over the next 24 to 36
hours if a westward motion is favoured it may sail close to the eastern side
of Australia, although the major trough over the Bight may influence a more
south to southeast movement by Sunday.regards Clyve Herbert.
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Everyone
The latest JTWC advice suggests a southward track
followed by a more westerly movement late in the forecast period. Very slow
moving though and still remaining way out in the eastern Coral Sea.
They see improved structure, but I think the system
has become a little bit elongated without a clear centre.
If it can escape what appears to be an upper drag
to the south south east (Fiji Met predicted movement is to the SE), it may well
become a very large westward moving system, but possibly not of great
intensity
BoM advised yesterday that it expected Sose to
remain beyond 160 degrees. I can't see it getting beyond about 158 degrees at
this stage even if it manages to steer around that high to its south south
west (but bear in mind how close this line is SEQ).
Keep watching this one folks
Simon
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 08:48:12 +1000
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Hi all,
Weird topic I know :) But 10 days ago, I was hounded by my parents on
what will happen to our TC's...in frustration and in light of a poor TC
season I responded with a "There will not be anymore TC's this season" -
and as soon as I said that, I realised that within the next 2 weeks, one
had to form somewhere off the QLD coast (even if it is way off the QLD
coast!)
Maybe we should do this for all our storm days.
--
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Hi Clyve,
I think the main factor is the shear - a fairly strong STJ is sitting
south of Sose (running at 80-90kn, although the shear tendancy is
weakening in this area) I thinkt he effects of the STJ can be seen on
the sat pics, on its current track it is going to go into increasingly
unfavourable shear, which may curb its intensification, however has
Simon pointed out, it JTWC are suggesting a more westward movement which
could prove interesting - as there is a weakening of the STJ moving
through. The BoM are expecting big swells on Monday and Tuesday for the
south QLD coast. Fiji insist this system will recurve SE soon though.
The waters though can certainly support a monster - it really needs to
drift slowly westward to intensify into a significant TC - as southward
is not so favourable (although SST's are more than ample). Currently it
is 985hPa.
It's certainly got my attention!
AC
clyve herbert wrote:
>
> Hi all.
> Very nice baroclinic zone developing over central Australia tonight in
> response to a developing low south east of Esperance,also a nice cold air
> field moving into the western Bight region,best of all is the mid and high
> cloud extending from the tropical disturbance over the top end of the NT.At
> the moment this set up is looking ok for general rain across eastern
> Australia especially when the cold front mixes in on Saturday.Keep a watch
> on cyclone SOSE which is moving westward this may develop into a monster
> and may push to cat 4/5 (what do you think Anthony?)over the next 24 to 36
> hours if a westward motion is favoured it may sail close to the eastern side
> of Australia, although the major trough over the Bight may influence a more
> south to southeast movement by Sunday.regards Clyve Herbert.
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Michael,
I seem to remember a snow event on Mt Nardi in the mid to late eighties, the
exact year eludes me, but you could include snow on the northern rivers even
though rare.
Keith Dorrell
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>
> I'm not sure you'll get a perfect town, but a region may be easier. BoM
> weather districts are too large and geographically diverse, but smaller
> areas could come up trumps. For example, coastal towns may get the huge
> rainfall and moderating effect of the seabreeze, and only a short distance
> inland get much better thunderstorms and the extremes of hot and cold.
>
> It also depends on what you classify as "best" weather. For a lot of us on
> this list it means interesting and extreme or severe weather, but for some
> it will mean perfect days for outdoor activities and sport or just
comfortable.
>
> For my definition of "best", I would nominate the Ballina - Lismore -
> Casino area on the North Coast of NSW, or for a town just Lismore (note
> that I live at McLeans Ridges, a rural locality not a town about 10km ENE
> from the centre of Lismore.
>
> Reasons:
>
> - extreme rainfall (> 200mm/day) events possible at any time of year
> - accessible short duration flooding, including town centre inundations
> - conformable temperatures most of the year, only a few days become like
> Darwin build up, and only some very cold days
> - plenty of thunderstorms, average of about 40 per year with a good
> percentage of supercells
> - a good selection of roads that are cleared of trees for regional storm
> chasing
> - large hail likely each season
> - violent winds likely each season
> - shelf clouds very common
> - hail drifts possible each season
> - tornadoes possible each season
> - flash floods possible each season
> - plenty of great vantage points to enjoy lightning
> - coastal cold air CBs enhanced by warm ocean currents
> - does get cold fronts
> - prone to trough activity including from tropical origins
> - beautiful valley fog many nights / mornings of the year
> - prone to East Coast Lows
> - prone to Coral Sea Lows, ex TCs and full blown sub-tropical TCs !
> - blocking Southern Tasman Sea highs can give days and weeks of mod-heavy
> shower activity
> - blocking Central Tasman Sea highs can give days and weeks of warn and
> fine days
> - Southern Ocean fronts can give weeks of fine sunny days with the odd W
gales
>
> Some disadvantages:
>
> - lacks vigorous cold frontal activity
> - can get a bit hot and sticky
> - never snows
> - rarely gets extremes of heat or cold
> - showery weather can hang around for weeks
> - fine weather can hang around for weeks
> - nearby mountains with no roads can stuff up storm chases
>
> A bit long this email, but I guess we have to prove why the location is
the
> best !
>
> regards, Michael
>
>
>
> At 18:10 04/04/2001 +1000, you wrote:
> >Hey everyone!
> >
> >During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on the
> >best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex
> >question, so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in
the
> >aussie weather forum.
> >
> >So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather.
> >Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical
> >storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see Magnolia?).
> >
> >So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will tally
the
> >votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town of
> >Australia ?
> >
> >This should be interesting.
> >
> >dann
> >__________________________
> >Daniel Weatherhead
> >Blaxland, NSW
> >weatherhead at ozemail.com.au
> >SYDNEY STORM CHASERS
> >www.sydneystormchasers.com
>
>
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From: "Pearce"
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Keith,
Where is Mt Nardi?
Matt Pearce
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Anthony and others
As you would all probably know, Sose (apparently
the popular pronunciation is "So-Say") has commenced a slight nudge
toward the SSE. It appears the centre is sheared to the west of the upper
structure at present. However this evening the unfavourable conditions to the
south appear to be slackening its overall influence on the TC. I still think a
SW movement will redevelop and BoM reflect this in their latest
progs.
I just wish JTWC updated their advisories for us a
bit more often !
Can anyone please give me the address for a website
called Hurricane City. I find this a most useful site, but I can't find it
despite my searching.
Thanks
Simon
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Anthony
I know what you mean.
Many of my work mates regularly request forecasts from me and I have been
making a bit of a 'banana' of myself this summer.
This weekend I suggested to one colleague -windy and showery in Bayside
Brisbane - but today has been absolutely perfect - no rain at all.
Fortunately, most of my friends tend to be forgiving (they pass my weather
interest off as a mad eccentricity). Fortunately, they are more forgiving of
me than the people at BoM when their forecasts go spack !
It can sometimes be a bit of a gamble - but if it wasn't, would we all be in
interested ? That's why I'm always prepared to look like a 'banana' for my
thoughts.
Regards
Simon
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> Hi all,
>
> Weird topic I know :) But 10 days ago, I was hounded by my parents on
> what will happen to our TC's...in frustration and in light of a poor TC
> season I responded with a "There will not be anymore TC's this season" -
> and as soon as I said that, I realised that within the next 2 weeks, one
> had to form somewhere off the QLD coast (even if it is way off the QLD
> coast!)
>
> Maybe we should do this for all our storm days.
> --
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Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 19:24:45 +1000
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It might be a meteorological version of Schrodinger's Cat..something to
do with not being able to prove it's there because you didn't see it...?
I just forget the whole thing for now (probably just as well) but it's
in the realm of quantum physics.
Seriously though, it's a real problem having to interpolate/extrapolate
data due to accidental circumstances. One of the worst things that could
happen for me in the data measurement area is to accidentally spill the
rainwater when measuring it. I suppose one could resort to using the
official record if the official station isn't too far away. But this is
one reason why I never go on holidays as the readings would be missed.
Too fanatical I suppose...
Jimmy Deguara wrote:
>
> Hi Keith,
>
> You sense of humour never seems to amaze me. I had a situation the other
> day where we had rain but I was wondering (just subconsiously) that the
> rainfall was surprising. Well it happened the next morning that I was told
> my father watering the garden and perhaps say dreaming a little accidently
> watered the inside of the raingauge. I am at a loss now as to how much went
> in. I will have to review the amount.
>
> Jimmy Deguara
>
> At 07:28 PM 6/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
> >It would keep a lawn mowing firm gainfully employed, and as for the wee
> >wee, I had that problem at Dulwich Hill in 1963, but from a pet dog.
> >With the rain gauge showing 2.5mm after a fine clear night, and that not
> >looking like rain water, the weather log for that day was suitably and
> >prominently endorsed 'dog's mess interference'....
> >
> >Jimmy Deguara wrote:
> > >
> > > At Bellenden Kerr, the bloody rain gauge would be covered in moss.. I was
> > > wondering if they actually do a wee wee in the rain gauge?
> > >
> > > Jimmy Deguara
> > >
> > > At 08:42 PM 5/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
> > > >For lovers of heavy rainfall where else in Australia but Bellenden Ker?
> > > >So what if there's only a telephone tower there.....or do people
> > > >actually live nearby/on the mountain etc? The climate must be pretty
> > > >good in terms of temperature..wouldn't be too hot or cold?
> > > >For me it would be a dream come true to measure up to 11,000 mm of rain
> > > >per annum...
> > > >
> > > >Don White wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'll 2nd Maui - where else in the world is there a rainfall gradient of
> > > > > 10 inches to 400 inches is 20 kms! Where else can you find a place
> > where
> > > > > it once rained on 467 consecutive days and averaged 5 hours of sunshine
> > > > > per day at the same time.
> > > > > After that, Port Douglas - great for sea Cu's and stream showers 9
> > > > > months of the year. and third, Maleny - storms, very heavy rains and no
> > > > > winter - that's a down side.
> > > > > Spring in Tuscany, autumn in Maine, or if we are desparate, Kambala -
> > > > > capitals of Uganda - the only city in the world with more than 240
> > > > > thunder days per year (but no godd for Jimmy - it never hails)....
> > > > > endless dreaming.
> > > > > In NSW I'll settled for NE suburbs of Sydney
> > > > > Don White
> > > > > "Mark Hardy (home)" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Maui.
> > > > > >
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Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 20:19:39 +1000
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I have visited some small towns around Dorrigo like Ulong and Cascade, ever
seen Deliverance the movie ?
>
> Well the explanation is, when I visited an area around just to the
> northeast of Dorrigo, I found stories of almost undiscovered countries.
> They are often without telephone lines let alone power. It is an isolated
> area and can be understood that the elevation and uplift of the NE winds
in
> the afternoon makes it ideal. The storms often then die before they hit
the
> coast on days of they move NE. The locals told me that they have a few of
> the volunteers checking out the areas hit and report it to the SES as
> nobody otherwise would know what has happened in the area.
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Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 02:34:31 +1000
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.....one benefit of living near large trees is the gentle sound of twigs
& small branches falling that gets your attention
Worth keeping an eye on the passage of this front for the next few
hours. Oodnadatta recorded a wind gust of 106kmh earlier tonight. Wind
speeds throughout central Victoria gusting up to the 50kmh+ mark in the
northerlies & the temperature is still 21.5C at 2am!!! Pressures fall
from 1018 in the NE of the state to 1008 in the SW. Front currently
going through east of the Adelaide region - some falls in the 10-15mm
range (looks pretty impressive on radar - all of those yellows & greens
& pinks!!)
Snippets of the current Vic aviation forecast read like this:
STRONG N FLOW AHEAD OF FRONT EXPECTED HOPETOUN/CAPE OTWAY 17Z (3am),
ROBINVALE/FLIKI 23Z (9am), HAY/SALE 05Z (3pm). FRONT SLOPES W WITH
HEIGHT TO 200NM TO W AT 18500FT. ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS/RAIN WITHIN
100NM W OF FRONT. SEVERE TURBULENCE E OF FRONT.
ISOL CB 5000/30000 WITHIN 100NM W OF FRONT
500hPa temps are -17C & 300hPa temps are -41C ahead of the front.
Jane
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Hi Jane
Nothing very impressive on the ground here in Adelaide. About 10mm of
moderate rain. A short lived gusty period after midnight. I woke to a
dead calm and a 4/8 sky of very woosy Cu.
We had 32C during the day last 2 days though, so I'm glad to see the end of
that.
>.....one benefit of living near large trees is the gentle sound of twigs
>& small branches falling that gets your attention
>
>Worth keeping an eye on the passage of this front for the next few
>hours. Oodnadatta recorded a wind gust of 106kmh earlier tonight. Wind
>speeds throughout central Victoria gusting up to the 50kmh+ mark in the
>northerlies & the temperature is still 21.5C at 2am!!! Pressures fall
>from 1018 in the NE of the state to 1008 in the SW. Front currently
>going through east of the Adelaide region - some falls in the 10-15mm
>range (looks pretty impressive on radar - all of those yellows & greens
>& pinks!!)
>
>Snippets of the current Vic aviation forecast read like this:
>STRONG N FLOW AHEAD OF FRONT EXPECTED HOPETOUN/CAPE OTWAY 17Z (3am),
>ROBINVALE/FLIKI 23Z (9am), HAY/SALE 05Z (3pm). FRONT SLOPES W WITH
>HEIGHT TO 200NM TO W AT 18500FT. ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS/RAIN WITHIN
>100NM W OF FRONT. SEVERE TURBULENCE E OF FRONT.
>ISOL CB 5000/30000 WITHIN 100NM W OF FRONT
>
>500hPa temps are -17C & 300hPa temps are -41C ahead of the front.
>
>Jane
>
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Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 08:08:19 +1000
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Hi Simon and all,
Has anyone noticed the slight transition of the air/atmosphere to a more
summer pattern? I guess this is normal given it is autumn and is often
a mixture of winter and summer type scenarios...but still interesting
that DP's are back up around the high teens/20's - and the upper
atmosphere has warmed significantly, the CJ's yesterday were quite
summery looking on the ranges...not the coastal, soft showery Cu that
we've been having (possibly what prevented the windy, coastal shower
forecast you gave!)
Sose (thanks for the proncounciation, I've been pronouncing it
incorrectly as Soze!), looks as if it will turn towards the SSW/SW soon
- both JTWC and Fiji also agree on this now (Fiji has always been saying
SE until recently). JTWC are forecasting it to hit 100kn by tomorrow -
but looking at the sat pics it still has a bit more work to do...it will
need to have a fair intensification to reach that! Upper level
divergence is quite strong over the TC area...and the shear tendancy is
weakening to its south and more so SW. The 850mb sat pics derived
vorticity tend to indicate a better circulation in the low levels, and
there's a very pronounced upper level anticyclone sitting just to the
west of Sose.
I think sometimes our forecasts are analogous to Murphy's Law of storm
chasing #12 - "If there are two storms, the one you head to will weaken
proportionally to the rate the other strengthens." We should just keep
forecasting fine 365.25 days a year and enjoy storms each day in summer!
AC
Simon Clarke wrote:
>
> Anthony
>
> I know what you mean.
>
> Many of my work mates regularly request forecasts from me and I have been
> making a bit of a 'banana' of myself this summer.
>
> This weekend I suggested to one colleague -windy and showery in Bayside
> Brisbane - but today has been absolutely perfect - no rain at all.
>
> Fortunately, most of my friends tend to be forgiving (they pass my weather
> interest off as a mad eccentricity). Fortunately, they are more forgiving of
> me than the people at BoM when their forecasts go spack !
>
> It can sometimes be a bit of a gamble - but if it wasn't, would we all be in
> interested ? That's why I'm always prepared to look like a 'banana' for my
> thoughts.
>
> Regards
> Simon
>
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Yes,
I too remember being told about it 'snowing' in that area and that the
community of Gonellabah (just next to Lismore) had sleet. My parents clearly
remeber it!! For others wondering where Mount Nardi is, I'm pretty shore
it's the tallest mountain in this photo, about the middle of the photo and
hidden behind the rain curtain, but you can still make it out.
http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0402de13.jpg
This shot is facing NNW from Wollongbar (also can be seen from MB's house at
McLeans Ridges). Hope that helps.
>From: "Dorrell's"
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>Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 16:38:24 +1000
>
>Michael,
>I seem to remember a snow event on Mt Nardi in the mid to late eighties,
>the
>exact year eludes me, but you could include snow on the northern rivers
>even
>though rare.
>Keith Dorrell
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Michael Bath"
>To:
>Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:16 PM
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live
>
>
> >
> > I'm not sure you'll get a perfect town, but a region may be easier. BoM
> > weather districts are too large and geographically diverse, but smaller
> > areas could come up trumps. For example, coastal towns may get the huge
> > rainfall and moderating effect of the seabreeze, and only a short
>distance
> > inland get much better thunderstorms and the extremes of hot and cold.
> >
> > It also depends on what you classify as "best" weather. For a lot of us
>on
> > this list it means interesting and extreme or severe weather, but for
>some
> > it will mean perfect days for outdoor activities and sport or just
>comfortable.
> >
> > For my definition of "best", I would nominate the Ballina - Lismore -
> > Casino area on the North Coast of NSW, or for a town just Lismore (note
> > that I live at McLeans Ridges, a rural locality not a town about 10km
>ENE
> > from the centre of Lismore.
> >
> > Reasons:
> >
> > - extreme rainfall (> 200mm/day) events possible at any time of year
> > - accessible short duration flooding, including town centre inundations
> > - conformable temperatures most of the year, only a few days become like
> > Darwin build up, and only some very cold days
> > - plenty of thunderstorms, average of about 40 per year with a good
> > percentage of supercells
> > - a good selection of roads that are cleared of trees for regional storm
> > chasing
> > - large hail likely each season
> > - violent winds likely each season
> > - shelf clouds very common
> > - hail drifts possible each season
> > - tornadoes possible each season
> > - flash floods possible each season
> > - plenty of great vantage points to enjoy lightning
> > - coastal cold air CBs enhanced by warm ocean currents
> > - does get cold fronts
> > - prone to trough activity including from tropical origins
> > - beautiful valley fog many nights / mornings of the year
> > - prone to East Coast Lows
> > - prone to Coral Sea Lows, ex TCs and full blown sub-tropical TCs !
> > - blocking Southern Tasman Sea highs can give days and weeks of
>mod-heavy
> > shower activity
> > - blocking Central Tasman Sea highs can give days and weeks of warn and
> > fine days
> > - Southern Ocean fronts can give weeks of fine sunny days with the odd W
>gales
> >
> > Some disadvantages:
> >
> > - lacks vigorous cold frontal activity
> > - can get a bit hot and sticky
> > - never snows
> > - rarely gets extremes of heat or cold
> > - showery weather can hang around for weeks
> > - fine weather can hang around for weeks
> > - nearby mountains with no roads can stuff up storm chases
> >
> > A bit long this email, but I guess we have to prove why the location is
>the
> > best !
> >
> > regards, Michael
> >
> >
> >
> > At 18:10 04/04/2001 +1000, you wrote:
> > >Hey everyone!
> > >
> > >During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on the
> > >best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex
> > >question, so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in
>the
> > >aussie weather forum.
> > >
> > >So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather.
> > >Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical
> > >storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see Magnolia?).
> > >
> > >So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will tally
>the
> > >votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town of
> > >Australia ?
> > >
> > >This should be interesting.
> > >
> > >dann
> > >__________________________
> > >Daniel Weatherhead
> > >Blaxland, NSW
> > >weatherhead at ozemail.com.au
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> >
> >
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Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 08:51:03 +1000
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Looks like there could be a low developing in western Bass Strait ..........
>
> >Snippets of the current Vic aviation forecast read like this:
> >STRONG N FLOW AHEAD OF FRONT EXPECTED HOPETOUN/CAPE OTWAY 17Z (3am),
> >ROBINVALE/FLIKI 23Z (9am), HAY/SALE 05Z (3pm). FRONT SLOPES W WITH
> >HEIGHT TO 200NM TO W AT 18500FT. ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS/RAIN WITHIN
> >100NM W OF FRONT. SEVERE TURBULENCE E OF FRONT.
> >ISOL CB 5000/30000 WITHIN 100NM W OF FRONT
> >
> >500hPa temps are -17C & 300hPa temps are -41C ahead of the front.
> >
> >Jane
> >
> >--------------------------------
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Yeah not much here either, Kathy and myself were at Edinburgh for most of
the day, we experienced fairly strong gusty winds of up to 30knots and
possibly 35knots at times. Very dusty with the top soil being removed from
a neighboring field with some Dust Devils being whipped up with the wind.
Unfortunately I was unable to get photographs of this, but did manage to
get some video of the dust being whipped up, but I have not got the tape
right now. Shortly after filming the dust, the RAAF police came and
confiscated my video tape, because I was in breach of a law that was made
way back in 1903 stating that no one could take photographs near a military
base :/ The RAAF had to enforce it this year because of the visiting
countries at the base right now. Strange thing is I didn't think they had
laws like that when the Wright Flyer was just being tested. Anyway back to
the Wx, with this front I received 10mm in the gauge, not bad, it wet the
ground at least.
regards
Andrew
At 07:13 AM 4/8/01 +0930, you wrote:
>Hi Jane
>
>Nothing very impressive on the ground here in Adelaide. About 10mm of
>moderate rain. A short lived gusty period after midnight. I woke to a
>dead calm and a 4/8 sky of very woosy Cu.
>
>We had 32C during the day last 2 days though, so I'm glad to see the end of
>that.
>
>
> >.....one benefit of living near large trees is the gentle sound of twigs
> >& small branches falling that gets your attention
> >
> >Worth keeping an eye on the passage of this front for the next few
> >hours. Oodnadatta recorded a wind gust of 106kmh earlier tonight. Wind
> >speeds throughout central Victoria gusting up to the 50kmh+ mark in the
> >northerlies & the temperature is still 21.5C at 2am!!! Pressures fall
> >from 1018 in the NE of the state to 1008 in the SW. Front currently
> >going through east of the Adelaide region - some falls in the 10-15mm
> >range (looks pretty impressive on radar - all of those yellows & greens
> >& pinks!!)
> >
> >Snippets of the current Vic aviation forecast read like this:
> >STRONG N FLOW AHEAD OF FRONT EXPECTED HOPETOUN/CAPE OTWAY 17Z (3am),
> >ROBINVALE/FLIKI 23Z (9am), HAY/SALE 05Z (3pm). FRONT SLOPES W WITH
> >HEIGHT TO 200NM TO W AT 18500FT. ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS/RAIN WITHIN
> >100NM W OF FRONT. SEVERE TURBULENCE E OF FRONT.
> >ISOL CB 5000/30000 WITHIN 100NM W OF FRONT
> >
> >500hPa temps are -17C & 300hPa temps are -41C ahead of the front.
> >
> >Jane
> >
> >--------------------------------
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> >cadence at stormchasers.au.com
> >
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G'day all,
For the snow hounds among us, I've set up a little site for my snow pics.
Bare with me, I'm new to all this but you should enjoy the pics. It's a
fairly fast loading page, I think.
The main page is a simple Blackheath local weather site and can't be
accessed from the following link yet, and I wouldn't want you to see it just
yet, anyway. :)
http://www.lisp.com.au/~violin/picture1.htm
Cheers,
Lindsay Pearce
Blackheath, Central Tablelands of NSW
Email: violin at lisp.com.au
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Hi all,
I finally was able to put in a few rolls of film last week! And I
scanned some of the photos...Tony Middleton very kindly digitally joined
four of the photos to make the pan without any seams! It's certainly
one of the best gust fronts I've ever seen in real life!!!
http://www.bsch.au.com/anthony/Image1.jpg
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Phil and Andrew,
I was rather impressed with the 14mm I recieved here, (just southeast of
Adelaide CBD). The front really wasn't that impressive in terms of strength
and I hardly expected anything from it especially when only light rain fell
during the evening, the moderate showers around midnight were good and
should ensure the grass stays green for the time being around my
neighbourhood and beyond. At least we got more than just a bit further west
of Adelaide where the falls were pathetic to say the least, nearly all below
1mm, further north at Pt Pirie a good fall of 22mm was recieved. Hope this
bloody tropical cyclone SOSE moves west or dissapates because it is holding
up the high pressure systems over the Bight region too much but I suppose
that is a characterisitic of this time of year. If SOSE moves too far south
then we could be under the influence of a strong high for quite a while!
Really wishing we could get a significant rainband through SA soon with
falls more around 30mm, haven't had one for ages that impacts on a large
area of SA not just the south east.
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Hi Andrew,
First off, congrats to you and Kathy for the new chaser on the way.
Back to business, the RAAF can sometimes be pretty tight with this rule of
filming a base, I have been escorted away from a couple of bases here in
Vic, but fortunately haven't had any film confiscated. If you speak to the
bases PR officer before you go, you can sometimes get permission to film
certain things. The PR officer might also be able to speed up the return of
the tape, they are usually pretty good people to deal with. The main
problem can be that Edinburgh is a frontline base and as such has tighter
security than say East Sale here in Vic which is just a training base.
Were you there just to shoot dust devils, or were the visiting international
planes too good to resist? I saw the Nimrod doing fly-bys at the Clipsal
500 on telly this weekend, nice plane.
Chris
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> Yeah not much here either, Kathy and myself were at Edinburgh for most of
> the day, we experienced fairly strong gusty winds of up to 30knots and
> possibly 35knots at times. Very dusty with the top soil being removed from
> a neighboring field with some Dust Devils being whipped up with the wind.
> Unfortunately I was unable to get photographs of this, but did manage to
> get some video of the dust being whipped up, but I have not got the tape
> right now. Shortly after filming the dust, the RAAF police came and
> confiscated my video tape, because I was in breach of a law that was made
> way back in 1903 stating that no one could take photographs near a
military
> base :/ The RAAF had to enforce it this year because of the visiting
> countries at the base right now. Strange thing is I didn't think they had
> laws like that when the Wright Flyer was just being tested. Anyway back to
> the Wx, with this front I received 10mm in the gauge, not bad, it wet the
> ground at least.
>
> regards
>
> Andrew
>
> At 07:13 AM 4/8/01 +0930, you wrote:
> >Hi Jane
> >
> >Nothing very impressive on the ground here in Adelaide. About 10mm of
> >moderate rain. A short lived gusty period after midnight. I woke to a
> >dead calm and a 4/8 sky of very woosy Cu.
> >
> >We had 32C during the day last 2 days though, so I'm glad to see the end
of
> >that.
> >
> >
> > >.....one benefit of living near large trees is the gentle sound of
twigs
> > >& small branches falling that gets your attention
> > >
> > >Worth keeping an eye on the passage of this front for the next few
> > >hours. Oodnadatta recorded a wind gust of 106kmh earlier tonight. Wind
> > >speeds throughout central Victoria gusting up to the 50kmh+ mark in the
> > >northerlies & the temperature is still 21.5C at 2am!!! Pressures fall
> > >from 1018 in the NE of the state to 1008 in the SW. Front currently
> > >going through east of the Adelaide region - some falls in the 10-15mm
> > >range (looks pretty impressive on radar - all of those yellows & greens
> > >& pinks!!)
> > >
> > >Snippets of the current Vic aviation forecast read like this:
> > >STRONG N FLOW AHEAD OF FRONT EXPECTED HOPETOUN/CAPE OTWAY 17Z (3am),
> > >ROBINVALE/FLIKI 23Z (9am), HAY/SALE 05Z (3pm). FRONT SLOPES W WITH
> > >HEIGHT TO 200NM TO W AT 18500FT. ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS/RAIN WITHIN
> > >100NM W OF FRONT. SEVERE TURBULENCE E OF FRONT.
> > >ISOL CB 5000/30000 WITHIN 100NM W OF FRONT
> > >
> > >500hPa temps are -17C & 300hPa temps are -41C ahead of the front.
> > >
> > >Jane
> > >
> > >--------------------------------
> > >Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> > >cadence at stormchasers.au.com
> > >
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Checking out
http://mirror.bom.gov.au/products/IDR023.loop.shtml
There looks like some decent rain on its way. In Tyabb, where I am (SE
Victoria - near Mornington on the map) it's very humid and you get "that
feeling" like something big is going to happen (it probably won't, but the
feeling is definately there).
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From: Michael Bath
Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live / Mt Nardi
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Thanks Keith.
Further to Dave Ellem's reply to where Mount Nardi is. It's part of the
Nightcap Range and one of the higher peaks in the range 30km N of Lismore
and at an elevation of just over 800 metres. Mount Warning the volcanic
remnant at 1156 metres is 15km N of Mount Nardi. The ABC and commercial TV
transmitters are up the top.
A couple of photos taken from my place illustrate.
just left of centre is Mount Nardi:
http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/0515mb01.jpg
Mount Nardi is just out of frame to the right, but this shows you the
higher peaks of the Border Ranges
http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/0622mb01.jpg
Mount Burrell (933m) in the middle and Mount Nardi to the right
http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/0802mb03.jpg
regards, Michael
At 16:38 07/04/2001 +1000, you wrote:
>Michael,
>I seem to remember a snow event on Mt Nardi in the mid to late eighties, the
>exact year eludes me, but you could include snow on the northern rivers even
>though rare.
>Keith Dorrell
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Here's a sequence of webcam images taken from the Sandringham yacht club
webcam showing the passage of the first front at 11:00am which was dry.
http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2001_04_08/sycam1.gif
Starting to spit here at Clayton with the second front just to the west of
Melbourne.
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From: Blair Trewin
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>
> I have visited some small towns around Dorrigo like Ulong and Cascade, ever
> seen Deliverance the movie ?
No, but I spent an interesting weekend poking around the mountains
on the Tennessee-North Carolina border, a fine place for seeing such
places and characters, in January. Not that I saw too many of the
locals - I hadn't previously thought that it was possible to drive
for an hour in the early afternoon anywhere in the eastern United
States without seeing another car. (The fact that it was snowing
steadily, if lightly, might have had something to do with it).
Found out from a taxi driver a couple of days later that the forest there is
the alleged current residence of the U.S's most wanted man (with
the rumoured complicity of local police, given that he's wanted for
blowing up abortion clinics). Might have been a bit more apprehensive
about the area had I known that in advance....
Getting back on topic, my choice would be Armidale - plenty of storms,
snow every now and again, never exceptionally hot and lots of
sunshine in winter. Internationally I'd probably go for Boulder,
Colorado - anywhere that can produce, in the space of the week I spent
there in September 1993, two days of severe thunderstorms, 10
centimetres of snow, and maxima of 34 and 1 on successive days can
never be accused of being boring. (Oklahoma would be terrific for
eight months of the year, but I don't think I could handle the
summers there).
By the way, I assume we're talking about undiscovered communities
northeast of Dorrigo, not undiscovered countries :-)
Blair
> >
> > Well the explanation is, when I visited an area around just to the
> > northeast of Dorrigo, I found stories of almost undiscovered countries.
> > They are often without telephone lines let alone power. It is an isolated
> > area and can be understood that the elevation and uplift of the NE winds
> in
> > the afternoon makes it ideal. The storms often then die before they hit
> the
> > coast on days of they move NE. The locals told me that they have a few of
> > the volunteers checking out the areas hit and report it to the SES as
> > nobody otherwise would know what has happened in the area.
> >
>
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Matt,
Mt Nardi is north of Lismore in the border ranges, where the TV towers are
located for the Northern rivers area.
I think the perfect place to live is wherever you are happy!
Keith
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> Where is Mt Nardi?
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Hi Chris,
My original plan was to film the Aircraft doing an Air display, which was
pathetic this year, last year we had 2 FA-18 Hornets burning up the skies,
this year we had only one FA-18 and it's idea of a low fly past was at
500ft, also it must have stuck a sock up it's exhaust pipe, cos it was no
where near as loud as we usually hear them. The Dust Devils were just a bit
of Icing on the cake, although I think the cake went mouldy.
At least I got some footage today from a hidden advantage point :)
BTW No Nimrod today :( and yes it's really a beautiful sounding aircraft.
regards Andrew
PS thankyou for the congrats too :)))
At 12:22 PM 4/8/01 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi Andrew,
>
>First off, congrats to you and Kathy for the new chaser on the way.
>
>Back to business, the RAAF can sometimes be pretty tight with this rule of
>filming a base, I have been escorted away from a couple of bases here in
>Vic, but fortunately haven't had any film confiscated. If you speak to the
>bases PR officer before you go, you can sometimes get permission to film
>certain things. The PR officer might also be able to speed up the return of
>the tape, they are usually pretty good people to deal with. The main
>problem can be that Edinburgh is a frontline base and as such has tighter
>security than say East Sale here in Vic which is just a training base.
>
>Were you there just to shoot dust devils, or were the visiting international
>planes too good to resist? I saw the Nimrod doing fly-bys at the Clipsal
>500 on telly this weekend, nice plane.
>
>Chris
>
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>Subject: Re: aus-wx: SA - Vic front
>
>
> > Yeah not much here either, Kathy and myself were at Edinburgh for most of
> > the day, we experienced fairly strong gusty winds of up to 30knots and
> > possibly 35knots at times. Very dusty with the top soil being removed from
> > a neighboring field with some Dust Devils being whipped up with the wind.
> > Unfortunately I was unable to get photographs of this, but did manage to
> > get some video of the dust being whipped up, but I have not got the tape
> > right now. Shortly after filming the dust, the RAAF police came and
> > confiscated my video tape, because I was in breach of a law that was made
> > way back in 1903 stating that no one could take photographs near a
>military
> > base :/ The RAAF had to enforce it this year because of the visiting
> > countries at the base right now. Strange thing is I didn't think they had
> > laws like that when the Wright Flyer was just being tested. Anyway back to
> > the Wx, with this front I received 10mm in the gauge, not bad, it wet the
> > ground at least.
> >
> > regards
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> > At 07:13 AM 4/8/01 +0930, you wrote:
> > >Hi Jane
> > >
> > >Nothing very impressive on the ground here in Adelaide. About 10mm of
> > >moderate rain. A short lived gusty period after midnight. I woke to a
> > >dead calm and a 4/8 sky of very woosy Cu.
> > >
> > >We had 32C during the day last 2 days though, so I'm glad to see the end
>of
> > >that.
> > >
> > >
> > > >.....one benefit of living near large trees is the gentle sound of
>twigs
> > > >& small branches falling that gets your attention
> > > >
> > > >Worth keeping an eye on the passage of this front for the next few
> > > >hours. Oodnadatta recorded a wind gust of 106kmh earlier tonight. Wind
> > > >speeds throughout central Victoria gusting up to the 50kmh+ mark in the
> > > >northerlies & the temperature is still 21.5C at 2am!!! Pressures fall
> > > >from 1018 in the NE of the state to 1008 in the SW. Front currently
> > > >going through east of the Adelaide region - some falls in the 10-15mm
> > > >range (looks pretty impressive on radar - all of those yellows & greens
> > > >& pinks!!)
> > > >
> > > >Snippets of the current Vic aviation forecast read like this:
> > > >STRONG N FLOW AHEAD OF FRONT EXPECTED HOPETOUN/CAPE OTWAY 17Z (3am),
> > > >ROBINVALE/FLIKI 23Z (9am), HAY/SALE 05Z (3pm). FRONT SLOPES W WITH
> > > >HEIGHT TO 200NM TO W AT 18500FT. ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS/RAIN WITHIN
> > > >100NM W OF FRONT. SEVERE TURBULENCE E OF FRONT.
> > > >ISOL CB 5000/30000 WITHIN 100NM W OF FRONT
> > > >
> > > >500hPa temps are -17C & 300hPa temps are -41C ahead of the front.
> > > >
> > > >Jane
> > > >
> > > >--------------------------------
> > > >Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> > > >cadence at stormchasers.au.com
> > > >
> > > >Melbourne Storm Chasers
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> > > >
> > > >ASWA - Victoria
> > > >http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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Sorry Blair,
What I meant was undiscovered countryside - the unknown. The Bureau does
not have on their records anything that happens in the area as there are no
spotters. The SES locally will know more of course. Good to know they are
finally getting internet in the area - Ulong that is. I don't think Ulong
is a problem Michael, I would however say that the region around Tyringham
is a little strange. I was quick to get out of that area - Mario can vouch
for that.
Jimmy Deguara
At 02:06 PM 8/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
> >
> > I have visited some small towns around Dorrigo like Ulong and Cascade, ever
> > seen Deliverance the movie ?
>
>No, but I spent an interesting weekend poking around the mountains
>on the Tennessee-North Carolina border, a fine place for seeing such
>places and characters, in January. Not that I saw too many of the
>locals - I hadn't previously thought that it was possible to drive
>for an hour in the early afternoon anywhere in the eastern United
>States without seeing another car. (The fact that it was snowing
>steadily, if lightly, might have had something to do with it).
>
>Found out from a taxi driver a couple of days later that the forest there is
>the alleged current residence of the U.S's most wanted man (with
>the rumoured complicity of local police, given that he's wanted for
>blowing up abortion clinics). Might have been a bit more apprehensive
>about the area had I known that in advance....
>
>Getting back on topic, my choice would be Armidale - plenty of storms,
>snow every now and again, never exceptionally hot and lots of
>sunshine in winter. Internationally I'd probably go for Boulder,
>Colorado - anywhere that can produce, in the space of the week I spent
>there in September 1993, two days of severe thunderstorms, 10
>centimetres of snow, and maxima of 34 and 1 on successive days can
>never be accused of being boring. (Oklahoma would be terrific for
>eight months of the year, but I don't think I could handle the
>summers there).
>
>By the way, I assume we're talking about undiscovered communities
>northeast of Dorrigo, not undiscovered countries :-)
>
>Blair
>
> > >
> > > Well the explanation is, when I visited an area around just to the
> > > northeast of Dorrigo, I found stories of almost undiscovered countries.
> > > They are often without telephone lines let alone power. It is an isolated
> > > area and can be understood that the elevation and uplift of the NE winds
> > in
> > > the afternoon makes it ideal. The storms often then die before they hit
> > the
> > > coast on days of they move NE. The locals told me that they have a few of
> > > the volunteers checking out the areas hit and report it to the SES as
> > > nobody otherwise would know what has happened in the area.
> > >
> >
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Re Sose, just looking at the BoM's prognostic chart for tomorrow (9/4) with the north-south orientation of the cyclone and the high on the longitude of New Zealand, does anyone think this has the potential to set up a blocking pair?
>From: "clyve herbert"
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>Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 22:09:31 +1000
>
>Hi all.
>Very nice baroclinic zone developing over central Australia tonight in
>response to a developing low south east of Esperance,also a nice cold air
>field moving into the western Bight region,best of all is the mid and high
>cloud extending from the tropical disturbance over the top end of the NT.At
>the moment this set up is looking ok for general rain across eastern
>Australia especially when the cold front mixes in on Saturday.Keep a watch
>on cyclone SOSE which is moving westward this may develop into a monster
>and may push to cat 4/5 (what do you think Anthony?)over the next 24 to 36
>hours if a westward motion is favoured it may sail close to the eastern side
>of Australia, although the major trough over the Bight may influence a more
>south to southeast movement by Sunday.regards Clyve Herbert.
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From: "Michael Thompson"
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Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 17:44:23 +1000
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What sort of software does he use ?
Michael
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Subject: aus-wx: Nice Gust Front Pan from March 12
> Hi all,
>
> I finally was able to put in a few rolls of film last week! And I
> scanned some of the photos...Tony Middleton very kindly digitally joined
> four of the photos to make the pan without any seams! It's certainly
> one of the best gust fronts I've ever seen in real life!!!
>
> http://www.bsch.au.com/anthony/Image1.jpg
>
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Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 13:23:40 +1000
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It's been raining quite heavily for the past 20 minutes or so now.... One of
those nice Sundays to light the fire on :)
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Here she comes!
>
> Here's a sequence of webcam images taken from the Sandringham yacht club
> webcam showing the passage of the first front at 11:00am which was dry.
>
> http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2001_04_08/sycam1.gif
>
> Starting to spit here at Clayton with the second front just to the west of
> Melbourne.
>
>
> Cheers
>
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Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 19:23:07 +1000
From: Jane ONeill
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Evening all,
Can someone help me understand why the jet fell apart so dramatically
today - it had been strengthening for days & then poof!! - suddenly weak
& almost gone... a bit confusing I must admit - the dynamics involved in
this have me beat.
http://weather.unisys.com/aviation/init/avn_4panel_init_aus.gif
Got 4.7mm today, front got here at 1347, wind swung around to the SW &
the temp got down to 11.1C & you could see your breath & now the temps
up to 13.4C and the wind's back to the N again?????
Thanks,
Jane
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From: "Simon Clarke"
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Hi folks
Looks like Sose will continue it southwards slide.
Most of the various advisories have been fairly consistent on this
today.
However I note JTWC is now considering a SW
deviation around the southern side of New Caledonia. Upper influences look
like being Sose's demise, but not after producing an extensive area of gales in
tandem with the high to the south.
BoM has issued a bulletin for high seas and erosion
for SEQ and has even produced a tropical cyclone threat map which is quite
unusual for a TC so far out to sea.
Simon
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Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 21:02:57 +1000
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IDW57Q01
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
Queensland
Region
Tropical Cyclone Warning Centre
TROPICAL CYCLONE
INFORMATION BULLETIN
For 4pm EST on Sunday the 8th of April 2001
Late
Sunday afternoon, tropical cyclone Sose was located well east of
Queensland
centred between New Caledonia and the southern islands of Vanuatu.
Sose is
expected to move slowly across New Caledonia during the next two days
before
accelerating towards the southeast away from Australia.
However
the cyclone has a large circulation and combined with a high pressure
system
near New Zealand is producing extensive areas of gales on its southern
side.
This is generating very large waves moving towards the Queensland east
coast.
Seas are beginning to rise on the exposed sub-tropical coast especially
south
from Fraser Island. Seas should continue to increase in height over the
next
few days reaching peak height around Wednesday. High evening tides over
the
period combined with large waves should cause saltwater inundation and
erosion
at known trouble spots.
what do you guys say its going t o move se or move another
derection just intrested
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 00:23:18 +1000
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This gust front photo is fantastic. I drooled over the video captures but this
pan photo shot takes the cake.
Well done ants, bring the originals to melbourne in 10 days, id love to see
them.
Matt Smith
Michael Thompson wrote:
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> Michael
>
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> Sent: Sunday, 8 April 2001 9:51
> Subject: aus-wx: Nice Gust Front Pan from March 12
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I finally was able to put in a few rolls of film last week! And I
> > scanned some of the photos...Tony Middleton very kindly digitally joined
> > four of the photos to make the pan without any seams! It's certainly
> > one of the best gust fronts I've ever seen in real life!!!
> >
> > http://www.bsch.au.com/anthony/Image1.jpg
> >
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From: "Dean McWhinney"
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Subject: aus-wx: Storms SW AND W of sydney POTENTIAL ?
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:40:27 +1000
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what do you guys say about these storms are they going to develope or are
they going to be fizzers what are your opinion?
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From: davidkc at advanceenergy.com.au
Subject: aus-wx: Small storm
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12.55pm 09/4.
About 30 min ago, small amount of lightning and rain around Bathurst area
heading from Oberon area to the East.. Not much lightning on tracker
though.
Will keep eye on GPATS and see whats brewing up. .
Dave
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From: "Max King"
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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:58:01 +1000
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Hey group,
Rune and I are gonna head out and see what We can
find.
Any updates appreciated.
My mobile is 0412-208928
Max
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Storms have started developing after 1130am over the ranges, in a nice
line running nw/se. A large one to my nw (prob just west of Colo Heights)
has just sent off 2 overshooting tops and looks very nice, should be some
STA's out soon
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From: "dann weatherhead"
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Matt Smith is out chasing and he has good reason to
be.
At 12:45 there is a veritable wall of storms
accross my western horizon looking from Cranebrook over the Blue
Mountains. These have beautiful crisp updrafts, with thick anvils, and
very strong flanking regions.
The closest two cells have burst out of the
orginal devlopment, pushing much higher and anviling out. There are
also numerous overshoots in these cells too!
Nice development towards Bowral and a massive
isolated storm north of Richmond.
Winds have picked up here and are gusting out of
the ENE. Dp has risen rom 14 at 11pm to 20.7 now! Temp is around the 28 degree
mark.
As they say in the classics
BRING IT ON!!!!
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Hey
guys,
It's
been a long time since I've seen skies like these. A nice heavy looking anvil
spreading across the Illawarra from the SW showing some mammatus on the
underside. Due to my lack of eyes (ie no net access), what else is happening to
the south of Wollongong? From past experience, if Bowral is starting to boom
then we usually end up with something along the escarpment. I'd appreciate any
updates prior to work end time of 3:30.
Bring
it on for one last hoorah this season!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Andrew
Godsman
Matt Smith is out chasing and he has good reason
to be.
At 12:45 there is a veritable wall of storms
accross my western horizon looking from Cranebrook over the Blue
Mountains. These have beautiful crisp updrafts, with thick anvils, and
very strong flanking regions.
The closest two cells have burst out of the
orginal devlopment, pushing much higher and anviling out. There are
also numerous overshoots in these cells too!
Nice development towards Bowral and a massive
isolated storm north of Richmond.
Winds have picked up here and are gusting out of
the ENE. Dp has risen rom 14 at 11pm to 20.7 now! Temp is around the 28 degree
mark.
As they say in the classics
BRING IT ON!!!!
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SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE Issued at 1356 on Monday the 9th of April
2001
This warning affects people in the following Local Government Areas:
Blue Mountains, Wollondilly, Wingecarribee.
This warning is current from 1:55 until 2:55pm.
Storms are currently located near Bargo and on the Blue Mountains and are
forecast to move slowly towards the east .
Large hailstones, damaging winds and very heavy rainfall are possible.
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Subject: aus-wx: Sydney Radar Loops - Storms. 09/4.
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Hi all..
Anyone who would like saved images of radar .. please email me at this
address.
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2001
This warning affects people in the Camden/Campbelltown areas of Sydney.
This warning also affects people in the Wollondilly Local Government Area.
This warning is current until 4:00 pm.
A large thunderstorm is currently located near Picton and is forecast to
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Yes i am interested. Please.
Regards,
Antz
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Hi all..
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From: "Paul Mossman"
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Just a warning everyone - I have received this virus 3 times in the last 2
days.
Seems someone may have infiltrated the list or is utilising the email
address list.
Please be careful.
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Subject: aus-wx: hail in Richmond, NSW
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3:30pm
Richmond, NSW
Max and Rune are out to my NW at Richmond, they have steady hail falling
that is measuring approx 3cm in diameter.
Incidentally, STW in effect now for Richmond, Glenorie and Wisemans Ferry,
valid until 4:30pm.
Malcolm Ninnes
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I get it quite often although my regularly updated virus software never lets
it do any harm. Still, its annoying.
Lindsay Pearce
Blackheath, Central Tablelands of NSW
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> At 04:33 PM 9/04/01, you wrote:
> >Just a warning everyone - I have received this virus 3 times in the last
2
> >days.
> >
> >Seems someone may have infiltrated the list or is utilising the email
> >address list.
>
> I have never received this virus yet, but I've seen numerous postings to
> the list about it.
> It is being sent privately, not to the list.
> Miguel de Salas
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Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 17:35:45 +1000
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A good day today.
Almost shot down south to the large storm firing down towards Bowral but
decided to go for the one on the ranges just NW of Penrith. Caught up to
it as it moved over the Richmond area. Rain was torrential with flooding
all over the place, a few cm of water over main roads in the area made
fun driving. I had to pull over numerous times because of the extremely
heavy rain. There was hail mixed in with the rain, only small, max size
1cm plenty around 1/2 a cm, most of it melting very fast because of the
water lying all over the place. The hail lasted from my drive from
Richmond to Windsor, going past the air force base. Plenty of CG's made
it worth while, including a nice clear air CG. The storm reminded me
very much of a similar storm late last year that hit the same area, with
plenty of CG lightning and torrential rain.
Anyway, enough from me.
Matt Smith
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never had it yet from this list or any other come to think of it
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> I get it quite often although my regularly updated virus software
> never lets it do any harm. Still, its annoying.
>
>
> Lindsay Pearce
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> > At 04:33 PM 9/04/01, you wrote:
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> > >Seems someone may have infiltrated the list or is utilising the
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> > I have never received this virus yet, but I've seen numerous
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> > It is being sent privately, not to the list.
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> > Fax: 03 62262693
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> > GPO Box 252-55
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Max and I headed out to Richmond at 130pm, it was very photogenic at
this stage with the massive storm to the sw (Appin), a large storm west of
Penrith and TCU shooting up straight overhead, at Agnes Banks waited for a
cell to come off the mountains, CG rate at one every 5 seconds, with a green
base and hail curtain. There was visible rotation numerous times, and very
gusty inflow winds. Deciding to stick with this storm (hearing of the
massiveness of the one to the SW) proved worthwhile with sustained 20
minutes of hail as we headed with the storm back through Richmond, the
largest which was close to 3cm. (mostly pea size with scattered 2cm stones).
Also a lot of video camera shy flangs just either side of us while we were
on the road, very nice day :)... thanx for all those updates, dean, mal and
mario.
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From: "Michael Thompson"
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You
probably already know the answer, the tail end storms were the Bowral ones,
there was bugger all south of that. We had some steady rain after 4pm from old
decaying anvil. The skies to the south were clear, I doubt any much rain fell
south of Kiama.
The dying storms
1-2mm of rain did one thing, they stopped a long dry spell in the southern
Illawarra. Today would have been entering the 4th week without rain in the
southern Illawarra, an event as rare as 100mm plus days.
Michael
It's
been a long time since I've seen skies like these. A nice heavy looking anvil
spreading across the Illawarra from the SW showing some mammatus on the
underside. Due to my lack of eyes (ie no net access), what else is happening
to the south of Wollongong? From past experience, if Bowral is starting to
boom then we usually end up with something along the escarpment. I'd
appreciate any updates prior to work end time of 3:30.
Bring it on for one last hoorah this
season!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hello DroughtMaster!
09 Apr 01 15:44, you wrote to All:
D> never had it yet from this list or any other come to think of it
It's everywhere, just bouncing around the net these days.
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three times, is that all. I get up to several a day and lately even in
different languages.
I have written an E Mail rule to dump any E Mails with Hahaha or snowhite,
along with E Mails with money and $ in the titles.
Michael
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> Seems someone may have infiltrated the list or is utilising the email
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>
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Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 22:01:53 +1000
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..this info courtesy of Dave Williams in Sydney from TWC Weather
Forum......
Very interesting stuff!!!! Worth sharing I thought - so I did.
---------------------------------------------
I know most people can't imagine that high pressure systems are
interesting, but the upcoming one for SE Australia later in the week has
the appearances of being one, at least according to the MRF. On Thursday
it has very cold temperatures at 850hPa [ie. around 1500 metres]
dropping to 3 degrees in Sydney [see averages at end of this note] and
-2 ish in the Victorian Alps. Yet at the same time it is going for
1000-500hPa thicknesses of around 5560 and 5520 metres respectively.
The 850hPa = 0 degrees at 5400 metres [this is well known] and varies by
5 degress for every 100 metres in thickness. So that, for example, a
thickness of 5600 metres equates to a 850hPa temperature of +10 etc.
Well go back and have a look at the values predicted by the MRF for
later in the week. The thicknesses are rather high yet the 850hPa
temperatures are very low. On Thursday one would have expected the
Sydney thickness of 5560 metres to correspond to a 850hPa temperature of
8 degrees, not the 3 degrees forecast. Whilst for the Victorian ALPS the
5520 would go to +6 degrees, not the -2!
What this is saying is that the cold change that is forecast is (1) very
cold and (2) very shallow. Since the thickness represents around 5.5
kilometres of air and the 850hPa temperature refers to around 1.5 km's
it is clearly obvious that the model expects the temperatures above
1,500 metres to remain relatively warm. Such a situation is a stable
one.
What this means is that (1) the effects of this change are likely to be
short-lived and that the airmass will quickly warm up again nearer the
surface; (2) that rainfall amounts will in general be fairly light since
there will not be any great depth in the cloud due to the 'warm'
temperatures aloft and (3) that any location which has sufficient
moisture near the surface will experience a 'miserably drab overcast
day' because these considerably warmer temperatures will act as a lid
and ensure that the cloud doesn't easily burn-off.
One could easily derive some sort of stability index out of these 2
temperatures which could add to the other information available.
Considering the Victorian ALPS over the next few days, the forecasts for
the 850hPa temp, 1000-500hPa thickness and the 'equivalent 850hPa temp
based on the thickess' are:
Tuesday 4 5555 7.75
Wednesday 6 5535 6.75
Thursday -2 5520 6.0
Friday 6 5580 9.0
Saturday 8 5600 10.0
Note how quickly the 850hPa temperature is expected to rise from
Thursday to Friday. One needs to be cautious [assuming this model is
correct] to quickly rise the maximums along the NSW coast late this week
since any location that has moisture underneath this warm air will
remain overcast and COLD.
Finally, for those interested, here are the average 850hPa temperatures
and 1000-500hPa thicknesses for a few locations at this time of the
year:
Sydney 9.4 5588
Wagga Wagga 8.6 5566
Hobart 4.9 5502
Melbourne 7.1 5545
Brisbane 11.5 5643
Adelaide 8.7 5579
Perth 11.0 5619
Alice Springs 14.7 5684
Darwin 17.8 5770
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Jane ONeill - Melbourne
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From: "Michael Thompson"
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To summarise - it sounds like Friday - Early Saturday may be the weather the
Illawarra specialises in - Anticyclonic gloom.
Michael
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> ..this info courtesy of Dave Williams in Sydney from TWC Weather
> Forum......
>
> Very interesting stuff!!!! Worth sharing I thought - so I did.
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> I know most people can't imagine that high pressure systems are
> interesting, but the upcoming one for SE Australia later in the week has
> the appearances of being one, at least according to the MRF. On Thursday
> it has very cold temperatures at 850hPa [ie. around 1500 metres]
> dropping to 3 degrees in Sydney [see averages at end of this note] and
> -2 ish in the Victorian Alps. Yet at the same time it is going for
> 1000-500hPa thicknesses of around 5560 and 5520 metres respectively.
>
> The 850hPa = 0 degrees at 5400 metres [this is well known] and varies by
> 5 degress for every 100 metres in thickness. So that, for example, a
> thickness of 5600 metres equates to a 850hPa temperature of +10 etc.
> Well go back and have a look at the values predicted by the MRF for
> later in the week. The thicknesses are rather high yet the 850hPa
> temperatures are very low. On Thursday one would have expected the
> Sydney thickness of 5560 metres to correspond to a 850hPa temperature of
> 8 degrees, not the 3 degrees forecast. Whilst for the Victorian ALPS the
> 5520 would go to +6 degrees, not the -2!
>
> What this is saying is that the cold change that is forecast is (1) very
> cold and (2) very shallow. Since the thickness represents around 5.5
> kilometres of air and the 850hPa temperature refers to around 1.5 km's
> it is clearly obvious that the model expects the temperatures above
> 1,500 metres to remain relatively warm. Such a situation is a stable
> one.
>
> What this means is that (1) the effects of this change are likely to be
> short-lived and that the airmass will quickly warm up again nearer the
> surface; (2) that rainfall amounts will in general be fairly light since
> there will not be any great depth in the cloud due to the 'warm'
> temperatures aloft and (3) that any location which has sufficient
> moisture near the surface will experience a 'miserably drab overcast
> day' because these considerably warmer temperatures will act as a lid
> and ensure that the cloud doesn't easily burn-off.
>
> One could easily derive some sort of stability index out of these 2
> temperatures which could add to the other information available.
> Considering the Victorian ALPS over the next few days, the forecasts for
> the 850hPa temp, 1000-500hPa thickness and the 'equivalent 850hPa temp
> based on the thickess' are:
>
> Tuesday 4 5555 7.75
> Wednesday 6 5535 6.75
> Thursday -2 5520 6.0
> Friday 6 5580 9.0
> Saturday 8 5600 10.0
>
> Note how quickly the 850hPa temperature is expected to rise from
> Thursday to Friday. One needs to be cautious [assuming this model is
> correct] to quickly rise the maximums along the NSW coast late this week
> since any location that has moisture underneath this warm air will
> remain overcast and COLD.
>
> Finally, for those interested, here are the average 850hPa temperatures
> and 1000-500hPa thicknesses for a few locations at this time of the
> year:
>
> Sydney 9.4 5588
> Wagga Wagga 8.6 5566
> Hobart 4.9 5502
> Melbourne 7.1 5545
> Brisbane 11.5 5643
> Adelaide 8.7 5579
> Perth 11.0 5619
> Alice Springs 14.7 5684
> Darwin 17.8 5770
>
>
>
> --------------------------------
> Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> cadence at stormchasers.au.com
>
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> http://www.stormchasers.au.com
>
> ASWA - Victoria
> http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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Subject: aus-wx: SOSE,and other stuff.
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 22:29:19 +1000
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Hi all.
SOSE looks interesting tonight especially if you want to see how a cyclone
goes puff!.The upper cloud shield has all but been blown off leaving a very
large apparent eye one of the largest I have seen or at least a near clear
central locality.Also some nice high lee cirrus extending from the eastern
North Is of NZ along the east coast of the South Is looks rather
spectacular,another area of interest is the remnants of TC Walter getting
into the central and southwest of WA, meanwhile Victoria and SA can enjoy
the continued spell of anticyclonic control now almost into its 5th year,
give or take a few lows.regards Clyve Herbert.
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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 22:33:32 +1000
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Hi Michael.
Maybe you could go up to Robertson and experience some supercooled drizzle!,
although the model prediction looks a little to far fetched to me, what
seems better is all that cold air getting into the warm Tasman Sea that
should be interesting. regards Clyve H.
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From: Michael Thompson
To:
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Upcoming high & thickness info
> To summarise - it sounds like Friday - Early Saturday may be the weather
the
> Illawarra specialises in - Anticyclonic gloom.
>
> Michael
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jane ONeill"
> To: "Aussie-wx"
> Sent: Monday, 9 April 2001 22:01
> Subject: aus-wx: Upcoming high & thickness info
>
>
> > ..this info courtesy of Dave Williams in Sydney from TWC Weather
> > Forum......
> >
> > Very interesting stuff!!!! Worth sharing I thought - so I did.
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------
> > I know most people can't imagine that high pressure systems are
> > interesting, but the upcoming one for SE Australia later in the week has
> > the appearances of being one, at least according to the MRF. On Thursday
> > it has very cold temperatures at 850hPa [ie. around 1500 metres]
> > dropping to 3 degrees in Sydney [see averages at end of this note] and
> > -2 ish in the Victorian Alps. Yet at the same time it is going for
> > 1000-500hPa thicknesses of around 5560 and 5520 metres respectively.
> >
> > The 850hPa = 0 degrees at 5400 metres [this is well known] and varies by
> > 5 degress for every 100 metres in thickness. So that, for example, a
> > thickness of 5600 metres equates to a 850hPa temperature of +10 etc.
> > Well go back and have a look at the values predicted by the MRF for
> > later in the week. The thicknesses are rather high yet the 850hPa
> > temperatures are very low. On Thursday one would have expected the
> > Sydney thickness of 5560 metres to correspond to a 850hPa temperature of
> > 8 degrees, not the 3 degrees forecast. Whilst for the Victorian ALPS the
> > 5520 would go to +6 degrees, not the -2!
> >
> > What this is saying is that the cold change that is forecast is (1) very
> > cold and (2) very shallow. Since the thickness represents around 5.5
> > kilometres of air and the 850hPa temperature refers to around 1.5 km's
> > it is clearly obvious that the model expects the temperatures above
> > 1,500 metres to remain relatively warm. Such a situation is a stable
> > one.
> >
> > What this means is that (1) the effects of this change are likely to be
> > short-lived and that the airmass will quickly warm up again nearer the
> > surface; (2) that rainfall amounts will in general be fairly light since
> > there will not be any great depth in the cloud due to the 'warm'
> > temperatures aloft and (3) that any location which has sufficient
> > moisture near the surface will experience a 'miserably drab overcast
> > day' because these considerably warmer temperatures will act as a lid
> > and ensure that the cloud doesn't easily burn-off.
> >
> > One could easily derive some sort of stability index out of these 2
> > temperatures which could add to the other information available.
> > Considering the Victorian ALPS over the next few days, the forecasts for
> > the 850hPa temp, 1000-500hPa thickness and the 'equivalent 850hPa temp
> > based on the thickess' are:
> >
> > Tuesday 4 5555 7.75
> > Wednesday 6 5535 6.75
> > Thursday -2 5520 6.0
> > Friday 6 5580 9.0
> > Saturday 8 5600 10.0
> >
> > Note how quickly the 850hPa temperature is expected to rise from
> > Thursday to Friday. One needs to be cautious [assuming this model is
> > correct] to quickly rise the maximums along the NSW coast late this week
> > since any location that has moisture underneath this warm air will
> > remain overcast and COLD.
> >
> > Finally, for those interested, here are the average 850hPa temperatures
> > and 1000-500hPa thicknesses for a few locations at this time of the
> > year:
> >
> > Sydney 9.4 5588
> > Wagga Wagga 8.6 5566
> > Hobart 4.9 5502
> > Melbourne 7.1 5545
> > Brisbane 11.5 5643
> > Adelaide 8.7 5579
> > Perth 11.0 5619
> > Alice Springs 14.7 5684
> > Darwin 17.8 5770
> >
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------
> > Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> > cadence at stormchasers.au.com
> >
> > Melbourne Storm Chasers
> > http://www.stormchasers.au.com
> >
> > ASWA - Victoria
> > http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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It is POURING DOWN out side at the moment, loud enough to wake me up !!!
Observatory hill is up to 55mm, it had 0 when i went to bed 3 hours ago.
Our backyard is like a river!!
Matt Smith
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
Issued at 0355 on Tuesday the 10th of April 2001
This warning affects people in the eastern suburbs of the Sydney
Metropolitan area.
Very heavy rainfall and local flooding is expected in the warning area
this
morning.
Rainfall heavy enough to cause local flooding has been reported from
Observatory Hill.
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From: "Lyle Pakula"
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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:01:48 -0600
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cool. Learn something new every day ;)
----- Original Message -----
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To:
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx:Jupiter, The Perfect Place to Live
>
> Hi all, for those that either disagree or don't know check this page out,
> shows the image of Lightning on Jupiter from the Galileo Spacecraft which
> is orbiting Jupier now.
>
> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap971216.html
>
> Andrew...
>
>
> At 09:29 AM 4/6/01 +1000, you wrote:
> >Hi Lyle,
> >
> >As far as I recall Jupiter is actually extremely lightning-active. The
> >reasons I can't recall but I'm pretty sure methane ice can exist at the
> >temperatures in the cloud-tops and Jupiter's intense magnetic field may
> >well cause enormous currents to flow from one point to another...
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Kevin from Wycheproof.
> >
> >
> >>From: "Lyle Pakula"
> >>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >>To:
> >>Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live
> >>Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:35:39 -0600
> >>
> >>Hey andrew,
> >>
> >>i can't say i remember jupiters atmospheric constituents too clearly but
i
> >>don't think itw would have hail nor lightning - due to the absence of
hail.
> >>
> >>cheers, lyle
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Andrew Wall"
> >>To:
> >>Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 2:37 AM
> >>Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live
> >>
> >>
> >> > Hi ppls,
> >> >
> >> > Well I would have to say the perfect place to live would be Jupiter,
all
> >> > year round storms, and a huge mother of a Cyclone continually
producing
> >> > awesome lightning displays, most probably HUGE Hail the size of
houses and
> >> > the winds, well lets just leave it at that.
> >> >
> >> > PS
> >> >
>
>>Etc...etc..etc..etc..etc..etc..etc........................................
..
> >>...
> >> >
> >> > regards
> >> >
> >> > Andrew
> >> >
> >> >
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Wooooooooohooooooooooooooooooooooo!
This is awesome!!!
Exactly the same here...torrential rain woke me up about 2 hours ago...now I
am still listening to it teeming down outside with the odd rumble thrown in
for good measure :)
Updated Severe Weather Warning is as follows:
SEVERE WEATHER WARNING
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
Issued at 0517 on Tuesday the 10th of April 2001
This warning affects people in the eastern suburbs of the Sydney
Metropolitan area.
Very heavy rainfall and local flooding is expected in the warning area this
morning.
Rainfall heavy enough to cause local flooding has been reported from
Observatory Hill.
The radar shows that the heaviest rain is currently located between
French's Forest and Terrey Hills.
With a Sydney metro forecast calling for heavy rain with flooding in the
east all day...just where I will be!!!!!!!!!!
There has got to be some kind of upper convergence feature or something...I
haven't looked at anything yet though...will try and work it out
tonight...In the meantime
BRING IT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Matt Pearce
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Subject: aus-wx: Severe Weather Warning for Sydney
>
> It is POURING DOWN out side at the moment, loud enough to wake me up !!!
>
> Observatory hill is up to 55mm, it had 0 when i went to bed 3 hours ago.
>
> Our backyard is like a river!!
> Matt Smith
>
> BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
> NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
> Issued at 0355 on Tuesday the 10th of April 2001
>
> This warning affects people in the eastern suburbs of the Sydney
> Metropolitan area.
>
> Very heavy rainfall and local flooding is expected in the warning area
> this
> morning.
>
> Rainfall heavy enough to cause local flooding has been reported from
> Observatory Hill.
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Hi Matt,
The radar showed a line of storms extending from Sydney
offshore. Take a look at the MESOLAPS precip forecast. It started with a
bulls-eye over Sydney last night and has it increasing today and tomorrow in
more or less the same area...I think tomorrow will be very interesting with
the approaching upper trough..
Paul G.
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> Wooooooooohooooooooooooooooooooooo!
>
> This is awesome!!!
>
> Exactly the same here...torrential rain woke me up about 2 hours ago...now
I
> am still listening to it teeming down outside with the odd rumble thrown
in
> for good measure :)
>
> Updated Severe Weather Warning is as follows:
>
> SEVERE WEATHER WARNING
> BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
> NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
> Issued at 0517 on Tuesday the 10th of April 2001
>
> This warning affects people in the eastern suburbs of the Sydney
> Metropolitan area.
>
> Very heavy rainfall and local flooding is expected in the warning area
this
> morning.
>
> Rainfall heavy enough to cause local flooding has been reported from
> Observatory Hill.
>
> The radar shows that the heaviest rain is currently located between
> French's Forest and Terrey Hills.
>
> With a Sydney metro forecast calling for heavy rain with flooding in the
> east all day...just where I will be!!!!!!!!!!
>
> There has got to be some kind of upper convergence feature or
something...I
> haven't looked at anything yet though...will try and work it out
> tonight...In the meantime
>
> BRING IT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Matt Pearce
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matt Smith"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 3:59 AM
> Subject: aus-wx: Severe Weather Warning for Sydney
>
>
> >
> > It is POURING DOWN out side at the moment, loud enough to wake me up !!!
> >
> > Observatory hill is up to 55mm, it had 0 when i went to bed 3 hours ago.
> >
> > Our backyard is like a river!!
> > Matt Smith
> >
> > BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
> > NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
> > Issued at 0355 on Tuesday the 10th of April 2001
> >
> > This warning affects people in the eastern suburbs of the Sydney
> > Metropolitan area.
> >
> > Very heavy rainfall and local flooding is expected in the warning area
> > this
> > morning.
> >
> > Rainfall heavy enough to cause local flooding has been reported from
> > Observatory Hill.
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G'Day,
Just had a torrential downpour here, now that the storm has
progressed a little further I can hear quite a lot of thunder (once
every 30 secs or so).
IDW10N15
TOP PRIORITY FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST
SEVERE WEATHER WARNING
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE Issued at
0613 on Tuesday the 10th of April 2001
This warning affects people in the following Local Government
Areas: Gosford, Wyong. The previous warning for the
Metropolitan area is now cancelled.
Very heavy rainfall and possible local flooding is expected in
the warning area in the next hour.
Rainfall heavy enough to cause local flooding has been
reported from Observatory Hill. The radar shows the
heaviesat rain is now just north of Brooklyn and is moving
slowly northwards.
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From: NinnesM at franklins.com.au
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Yep, portions of our microwave network links across the city dropped out (or
had their performance severely degraded) between 4 and 5am.
Wonder what tomorrow will be like? :)
Malcolm Ninnes
Unix Systems Admin
National Technical Services - Franklins Ltd
Ph. (02) 9722-1862
ninnesm at franklins.com.au
> ----------
> From: Matt Smith[SMTP:tornado at bigpond.net.au]
> Sent: Tuesday, 10 April 2001 3:59
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: aus-wx: Severe Weather Warning for Sydney
>
>
> It is POURING DOWN out side at the moment, loud enough to wake me up !!!
>
> Observatory hill is up to 55mm, it had 0 when i went to bed 3 hours ago.
>
> Our backyard is like a river!!
> Matt Smith
>
> BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
> NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
> Issued at 0355 on Tuesday the 10th of April 2001
>
> This warning affects people in the eastern suburbs of the Sydney
> Metropolitan area.
>
> Very heavy rainfall and local flooding is expected in the warning area
> this
> morning.
>
> Rainfall heavy enough to cause local flooding has been reported from
> Observatory Hill.
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From: "Lyle Pakula"
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Subject: aus-wx: Remarkable photo
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 16:37:45 -0600
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Hi,
this was sent to me and i thought it might interest this list;
http://www.astrogeo.va.it/immagini/cielo/giudici.htm
The image was taken in the Adriatic Sea between Greece and Italy
Cheers, Lyle
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From: "Dean McWhinney"
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Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:11:17 +1000
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TELL ME ABOUT IT :) i woke up at 4 am and it was PIS*ING DOWN :) and
windy YAY :) and a few flashes and bang now and then :) but i fell asleep
:( ah well was fun while i was awake :)
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From: "Matt Smith"
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Subject: aus-wx: Severe Weather Warning for Sydney
>
> It is POURING DOWN out side at the moment, loud enough to wake me up !!!
>
> Observatory hill is up to 55mm, it had 0 when i went to bed 3 hours ago.
>
> Our backyard is like a river!!
> Matt Smith
>
> BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
> NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
> Issued at 0355 on Tuesday the 10th of April 2001
>
> This warning affects people in the eastern suburbs of the Sydney
> Metropolitan area.
>
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From: "Dean Sgarbossa"
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G'day Lyle,
That is absolutely amazing photo. I can't believe it. What is the
chances of that occuring. Talk about being in the right place at the right
time! It is so remarkably photogenic. I have to say this is one of the best
photos I have ever seen in my life! Thanks.
Deano
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Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 8:37 AM
Subject: aus-wx: Remarkable photo
> Hi,
>
> this was sent to me and i thought it might interest this list;
>
> http://www.astrogeo.va.it/immagini/cielo/giudici.htm
>
> The image was taken in the Adriatic Sea between Greece and Italy
>
> Cheers, Lyle
>
> |
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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 16:54:03 +1000
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Hi all,
A nasty hail storm hit us on the Darling Causeway (near Mt Victoria) at
around 2:20pm.Hail was intense for around 20 minutes with 1.5 to 2.5cm size
hail. A car ahead of us lost control and crashed into the roadside gully.
Lindsay Pearce
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Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:18:10 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius
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Careful Michael - people won't read your emails soon for fear of being
depressed :-)
AC
Michael Thompson wrote:
>
> To summarise - it sounds like Friday - Early Saturday may be the weather the
> Illawarra specialises in - Anticyclonic gloom.
>
> Michael
>
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Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:41:25 +1000
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Afternoon all,
Sometimes you hear interesting things on the radio....
On the regular spot for the BoM senior forecaster (3LO) at 2.05pm, one
normally very conservative senior forecaster was becoming very excited about
an approaching cold front for Thursday. Almost hopping from foot to foot,
he said..."there's a very active cold front due tomorrow in Melbourne, we
have gale warnings out, sheep warnings out, and if I can think of any more
warnings I'll throw them in there too. Expect hail & thunder, a very
substantial drop in temperature, snow on the Highlands & even a bit on the
Dandenongs is possible."
....... all of us weather watchers can't wait for it to come true - have I
missed something??.
.....a still giggling Jane on an anticyclonic Melbourne afternoon....
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hit the send button, just a bit faster than the brain was moving.....
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> On the regular spot for the BoM senior forecaster (3LO) at 2.05pm, one
> normally very conservative senior forecaster was becoming very excited about
> an approaching cold front for Thursday. Almost hopping from foot to foot,
> he said..."there's a very active cold front due tomorrow in Melbourne, we
> have gale warnings out, sheep warnings out, and if I can think of any more
> warnings I'll throw them in there too. Expect hail & thunder, a very
> substantial drop in temperature, snow on the Highlands & even a bit on the
> Dandenongs is possible."
>
> ....... all of us weather watchers can't wait for it to come true - have I
> missed something??.
ARGH!!! Here I am, sitting at home trying to beat the flu before Easter, and we
start getting the really cold weather!!
BOM say: Wednesday: Early inland fog and frost. Showers with local hail and
thunder
extending across southern districts. Snow in the Alpine region. Strengthening
wind. Becoming cold.
Thursday: Showers in south, mostly clearing from the west. Cool southwest to
south wind easing.
> .....a still giggling Jane on an anticyclonic Melbourne afternoon....
.... a still coughing and spluttering Pauly inside and about to hit the pills
again.
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man that is bullshit!!! how can someone be so lucky to come across that!:(
extremely jealous:)
can anyone speak italian???
At 04:37 PM 9/04/01 -0600, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>this was sent to me and i thought it might interest this list;
>
>http://www.astrogeo.va.it/immagini/cielo/giudici.htm
>
>The image was taken in the Adriatic Sea between Greece and Italy
>
>Cheers, Lyle
>
> |
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At 04:33 PM 9/04/01, you wrote:
>Just a warning everyone - I have received this virus 3 times in the last 2
>days.
>
>Seems someone may have infiltrated the list or is utilising the email
>address list.
I have never received this virus yet, but I've seen numerous postings to
the list about it.
It is being sent privately, not to the list.
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You have missed a lot and so has BOM!!!!!! Even though I'm from SA and
this front will probably have a minor impact here I have been keeping my eye
on this front for about a week now. NOGAPS forecast picked up this very
strong cold front development about a week ago!!!! Interesting that??? But
BOM didn't pick it up until the beginning of the week and only today are
they making a big deal about it.
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I get it several times per week. About a third of them originate here in
Hong Kong, but the rest originate in Australia. As this list is
responsible for 99% of my e-mail from Australia, I assume that the hahaha
originates from someone on the list. However, it is almost impossible to
trace as the virus puts its own fake username and server at the head and
when digging amongst the hidden headers one can only see the very last
router in the chain before it arrives at my mail-server. The routers
are a plethora of ...com.au or ...net.au names and probably do not point
to where the virus originated.
I mostly don't even check any more - too boring - just delete 'em.
Phil
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From: "Lindsay Pearce"
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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 17:31:43 +1000
Subject: Re: aus-wx: hahaha Virus
> I get it quite often although my regularly updated virus software never
> lets
> it do any harm. Still, its annoying.
>
>
> Lindsay Pearce
> Blackheath, Central Tablelands of NSW
> Email: violin at lisp.com.au
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Miguel de Salas"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 5:01 PM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: hahaha Virus
>
>
> > At 04:33 PM 9/04/01, you wrote:
> > >Just a warning everyone - I have received this virus 3 times in the
> last
> 2
> > >days.
> > >
> > >Seems someone may have infiltrated the list or is utilising the
> email
> > >address list.
> >
> > I have never received this virus yet, but I've seen numerous postings
> to
> > the list about it.
> > It is being sent privately, not to the list.
> > Miguel de Salas
> > Ph: 03 6226 2624
> > Fax: 03 62262693
> >
> > School of Plant Science
> > University of Tasmania
> > GPO Box 252-55
> > Hobart
> > TAS 7001
> > Australia
> >
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Afternoon all,
To all of the ASWA members on the aussie-wx list (who received the mass
email from me earlier today) - I'll pass your thanks onto Les Lemon.
To any non-ASWA member who is curious about all this, email me at the
address below & I'll fill you in on the details - you might even decide to
become an ASWA member!!
Jane
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Luke
That is a very special photo (at first I suspected a fake). I have a picture
in a book of three waterspouts all at once, but never seen a picture with
four !
Regards
Simon
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Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 8:37 AM
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> Hi,
>
> this was sent to me and i thought it might interest this list;
>
> http://www.astrogeo.va.it/immagini/cielo/giudici.htm
>
> The image was taken in the Adriatic Sea between Greece and Italy
>
> Cheers, Lyle
>
> |
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Lyle
They aren't waterspouts are they ? On an extra look they look tornados. That
makes the picture even more remarkable.
Simon
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Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 8:37 AM
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> Hi,
>
> this was sent to me and i thought it might interest this list;
>
> http://www.astrogeo.va.it/immagini/cielo/giudici.htm
>
> The image was taken in the Adriatic Sea between Greece and Italy
>
> Cheers, Lyle
>
> |
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> |
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Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:49:59 +1000
From: Jane ONeill
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To translate this page, goto http://babelfish.altavista.com/translate.dyn and
copy the URL below into the part where it says
'Website Enter the Web Address of the page you wish to translate.'
You need to translate it from Italian to English & is called
'Spectacular waterspouts on the Adriatic'
> http://www.astrogeo.va.it/immagini/cielo/giudici.htm
Jane
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I'm interested in the last line of the caption of the photo. Relying on
my dodgy Italian from way back in high school, the line:
"Questa e una sequenza di 4 dei 10 tifoni in cui siamo passati."
seems to translate as:
"This is a sequence of 4 of 10 typhoons in (something, something) past."
Here, typhoon is the direct translation of tifoni, but no doubt it's
referring to the waterspouts
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Thanks Jane for the translation - they are waterspouts after all !
It is a bit hard to tell from the photo whether it is land or sea. I thought
sea at first (as multiple vortices are more common over water), but then on
second viewing I thought that the base of the photo looked like land.
Can you imagine if these were tornadoes over land - "hell's bells!!!!"
Nonetheless, one of the best photos I have ever seen.
Simon
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Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 6:49 PM
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> To translate this page, goto http://babelfish.altavista.com/translate.dyn
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> copy the URL below into the part where it says
>
> 'Website Enter the Web Address of the page you wish to translate.'
> You need to translate it from Italian to English & is called
> 'Spectacular waterspouts on the Adriatic'
>
> > http://www.astrogeo.va.it/immagini/cielo/giudici.htm
>
> Jane
>
> --------------------------------
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> cadence at stormchasers.au.com
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